Curse

tmakinen · Sep 16, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by generaldave

The only problem, like I keep saying, is that I don't have Save Yourselves. I don't own the skill and completely hate PVP.

Um? It's a PvE skill and Allegiance faction is most efficiently gained through PvE quests. You can max both titles without ever setting a foot on the PvP side. Some people play AB because it's not as boring as PvE faction farming and you'll get some Z-keys as well. However, disliking PvP isn't any kind of excuse for not unlocking one of the strongest skills in the game.

generaldave · Sep 16, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Z-key? Disliking pvp is a perfectly good excuse, but like you said, I can get it without.

DivinusRector · Sep 16, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Forgive me if i'm wrong, since I only read the first two and a half pages, but this thread is about a warrior who asked for advice and then began to QQ because he doesn't know how to play his class? Then tries to justify his inability to play his class by admitting his build is outdated, yet refuses to update it?

As a primary monk, let me tell you, your mending doesn't help me.

Bobby2 · Sep 16, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

The way that GW mob AI picks out targets almost always ensures that Warriors are chosen LAST out of all players. You can't Tank if you can't force the enemy to aggro on you, and if the AI is going to prioritize you at the bottom of the target list, you are going to spend far too much time trying to establish/hold aggro rather than putting your weapon in a mob's face so that by merit of whooping its ass you allow others on your team to perform their jobs with as little interference as possible.

[save yourselves]

woot woot

leet tankin skillz

do FFF for it Dave it is SO worth it

byteme! · Sep 17, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

I just want to address 1 thing. There are many but 1 thing really stands out. You know full well that as a Warrior your job is to get into an opponents face in order to provide hurt. So therefore mobility is your biggest weakness. In PvP for example your opponent will bring snares just to slow you down and stop you from getting from point A to point B, thus lowering your overall threat on the battlefield. Having said all of this, you've posted twice with a build that has "Dolyak Signet" in it. I was once like you. I thought it was awesome that I can soak up a crap load of dmg but then I soon realize I wasn't contributing very much because my mobility was severely crippled. Unlike flail which is easily canceled with another stance....Dolyak signet you cannot. It does more harm then good to be honest with you. While your foes are running off after your party you are left chasing after them with a self imposed snare. Outside of some solo farming builds there is really no place or need for Dolyak. If you find yourself the last one alive often then something is terribly wrong and should be addressed. Being the last one alive is nothing to be proud of. It means you failed as a team.

generaldave · Sep 17, 2008, 01:27 AM // 01:27

Divinus, you are very wrong. Not once did I ask for advice. The two builds that were posted in the first thread were clearly noted by me as builds that I used to use a long time ago. I can play my class just fine, thank you. The post had two main points/questions. Both of these questions have been answered. The first was what's wrong with tanking. The second was what's wrong with having your own build as opposed to wiki copy and paste. Also, if you really read the first two and a half pages, you'd know that my current build does not have mending or any other monk skills as it's W/D.

Bobby, I've noted the faction farming already. Someone also suggested Zaishen(SP) Challenges. I'll get it when I have time to play again. Now is time for college work.

Byteme, the build with Dolyak is Hench and Heroes only as I stated, so that's not a concern of the party. I'm not sure why you are mentioning PVP, when I've stated numerous times in this thread that I don't PVP. I know all about Dolyak's mobility issue, that's why it isn't in my party build.

Yichi · Sep 17, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

why waste a space in a party tanking when you could be doing something useful?

generaldave · Sep 17, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Tanking is useful, but apparently not in this game as we've already discussed. Why waste someone else's and your own time posting something like this when you could be more descriptive and helpful.

byteme! · Sep 17, 2008, 04:11 AM // 04:11

We have been helpful. OMG this is hopeless. You are so thick headed. You are right about the whole wasting time thing. We are clearly wasting our time with you. This thread will get closed I'm sure of it.

My reference to PvP was an example I figured someone as bright as you would've figured that out. Right? RIGHT?!!!

generaldave · Sep 17, 2008, 07:12 AM // 07:12

byteme, how is it that you are wasting your time with me? Also, I must be really thick headed when I'm conforming to what you want. I was just looking for an explanation of why. It has been given and I have said thank you for that. I really don't understand what your problem is. You seem to be nothing but rude to a guy that's just curious.

Also, I've noted faction farming and the challenges to get Save Yourselves and said that I was looking into getting flail. I've also stated several times that I've learned something about tanks being useless in this game. How do you get off calling me thick headed?

You keep belittling me with no good reason. If this thread is going to get closed for any reason, I hope it be for the rudeness of people's responses, not because of a curious mind.

A Leprechaun · Sep 17, 2008, 08:43 AM // 08:43

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Originally Posted by generaldave

byteme, how is it that you are wasting your time with me? Also, I must be really thick headed when I'm conforming to what you want. I was just looking for an explanation of why. It has been given and I have said thank you for that. I really don't understand what your problem is. You seem to be nothing but rude to a guy that's just curious.

Also, I've noted faction farming and the challenges to get Save Yourselves and said that I was looking into getting flail. I've also stated several times that I've learned something about tanks being useless in this game. How do you get off calling me thick headed?

You keep belittling me with no good reason. If this thread is going to get closed for any reason, I hope it be for the rudeness of people's responses, not because of a curious mind.

You have handed out your fair share of rudeness. You will get more respect on these forums if you listen to other members and respect their (in most cases) greater knowledge of the game.

~A Leprechaun~

_Nihilist_ · Sep 17, 2008, 08:46 AM // 08:46

byteme! let it go. Your constant responses aren't adding anything to the discussion, which is pretty much over, as generaldave has already stated that his questions have been answered. +1'ing it is a poor disguise for trolling a poster just to teach them that your e-peen is bigger. DROP IT, FFS. generaldave asked questions, got answers, said as much, and has moved on; just because he doesn't want to do it your way, or the Wiki way, or your mother's cat's groomer's way doesn't mean your +1'ing is going to change a damned thing. He HAS learned, and if you'd shut your trap and hold your fingers away from the keys for a few seconds, you might just have a lightbulb moment yourself...

generaldave,

For 5k Balthazar Faction you can trade for a Zaishen Key, or Z-key. The Zaishen Chest is located on the Isle of the Nameless in the Great Temple of Balthazar. The Z-Chest has a chance to drop inscribable versions of some rare weapon skins that are otherwise found as either non-inscribable drops or HoH Chest drops only (mostly reached by PvP players rather than PvE), but the Z-Chest also has the chance to drop some really crappy stuff as well (Creme Brulee and Firewater, currently 300g ea... for a 5k Z-Key... no ty!). It's one of the biggest gambles in GW. Also, PvP'ers can generate in-game cash with Z-Keys, as they have a steady supply of Balth Faction to turn in for the Keys, and PvE players want Z-Keys to increase their Zaishen track rank for yet ANOTHER Title. PvE'ers essentially 'buy' another title, PvP'ers don't have to split their time between PvP'ing and going PvE to farm and earn gold. Works for both kinds of players.

Also generaldave, [[Save Yourselves!] is about as close as you can get to Tanking. Bobby2 nailed it on the head. Since SY! buffs all other allies in earshot by +100AL, and GW AI looks for lowest armor as a target indicator, YOU as the Warrior will have less AL than all other targets. You will be the squishy! It's about the only way to change the AI targeting process aside from bodyblocking or pinning.

And no, I didn't play Fiesta. Nihilist is all of my Toons' first IGN. XD

~A Leprechaun~, most of the rudeness that generaldave has handed out is in response to the fact that whether or not they have typed it, it seems that people are dropping in because they've seen the Thread Title, they want to tl;dr and +1 to their e-peen, usually saying something that has already been better explained or that is just trying to get a dig in because they didn't take the time to read all the information already posted. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but when the buzz of their wings gets too loud, you just gotta start swattin' away to clear the air... dave has been more than gracious to anyone who posted an explanation, rather than just a 2-sentence 'lol u r n00b' variant.

generaldave · Sep 17, 2008, 09:40 AM // 09:40

Thanks again, Tyrael. You've been quite the help. Also, I asked about Nihilist because their was a character in that game with that name that was a good friend of mine. I was just wondering if it was you. I guess not

I've started working on getting save yourselves. It's a slow start, but a start. I've donated 20k.

_Nihilist_ · Sep 17, 2008, 09:58 AM // 09:58

If you go to the Kurzick/Luxon Factions Reward NPC, he gives you an option to Learn PvE skills. It will only cost you 3k Kurzick/Luxon Faction to obtain [["Save Yourselves!"] on your Warrior.

As many have said, SO worth it!

Glad to have helped, dave. I try.

tmakinen · Sep 17, 2008, 10:12 AM // 10:12

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

If you go to the Kurzick/Luxon Factions Reward NPC, he gives you an option to Learn PvE skills. It will only cost you 3k Kurzick/Luxon Faction to obtain [["Save Yourselves!"] on your Warrior.

However, allegiance skills only become available once you have reached rank 1 (Supporter) in the respective title track. That is 100k faction but if you donate your faction to your guild it will be counted as double (instead of the 1:1 exchange rate for scrolls and amber/jade) so you'll need only 53k of actual faction to unlock the skill if starting from zero.

The good part is that because Allegiance is account wide, once you have done the work with one character all your other characters can get their respective skills as well. There are pretty decent skills for other professions as well although nothing so spectacular as SY!

Edit: there is a strong incentive to reach at least r4 (at 550k) in Allegiance. Besides that it will grant you a statue in HoM r4 is also the breakpoint for 5 seconds of SY! (6 seconds would be r10 at 5 million, not worth the effort unless you are going to max the title anyway).

Edit2: AB is also a great way to dip your toes at the shallow end of PvP. If you dislike facing other players you can concentrate on trashing NPCs and capping shrines away from any brawls. Also, because of the inherent randomness the overall atmosphere is more forgiving. If you are a decent warrior in PvE the transition to AB is very easy (hey, there are tanks in AB as well

), especially if you can find a supportive group of other ABers. Compared to the mindboggling boredom that is PvE faction farming AB is about as good as GW can get, so I wholeheartedly encourage you to try it out with friends who can show you the ropes. It will only take 2-3 runs to get used to each map, and if you are still trepidating, it's best to start when your side has the defensive advantage (if Kurzick, play in Ancestral Lands, if Luxon, play in Kaanai Canyon). I've pretty much given up all other types of PvP but AB is always good unadultered fun.

_Nihilist_ · Sep 17, 2008, 10:16 AM // 10:16

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Originally Posted by tmakinen

However, allegiance skills only become available once you have reached rank 1 (Supporter) in the respective title track. That is 100k faction but if you donate your faction to your guild it will be counted as double (instead of the 1:1 exchange rate for scrolls and amber/jade) so you'll need only 53k of actual faction to unlock the skill if starting from zero.

I was correct with the cost, at least tmak! I didn't realize that he had to have reached r1 Kurzick to gain access to buying the skills. They came out far after I had reached that point!

/facepalm

generaldave · Sep 17, 2008, 02:08 PM // 14:08

I didn't know either until I tried to buy the skill

It's ok, the heros running Melandru's Hope thing seems to be working ok. It's somewhat quick and easy.

DarkGanni · Sep 17, 2008, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Quick reply:

Tanking is commonly misunderstood and to most players it means 8 tanking skills.

To me tanking it's something as: warrior goes in with some pre-protting, grabbing aggro first (that doesn't mean aggro whole place for meteor shower). Also a good tank knows how to corner/body block.

A Leprechaun · Sep 17, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

To me tanking it's something as: warrior goes in with some pre-protting, grabbing aggro first (that doesn't mean aggro whole place for meteor shower). Also a good tank knows how to corner/body block.

Surely thats just being a warrior, why call it tanking when you should be doing that most of the time.

~A Leprechaun~

Tyla · Sep 17, 2008, 07:30 PM // 19:30

Bodyblocking is really more of a player skill than anything else.