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Malis Of Monrovia · Oct 24, 2008, 12:14 PM // 12:14

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Then roll a Dervish if you're going to do next to nothing to support your damage. And again, how are you going to use Shock on every spike? Exhaustion will heavily overwhelming.

- We're talking about a warrior build aren't we?
- If you need to use shock over and over and over again, it means your targets aren't dropping. I rarely use shock on a non healer. Everyone will agree that it needs to be saved for more important targets.

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You're filling it with damage, but allowing a gap for a skill to be cast.

- Yes, the gap occurs at the end Decap when target is at 10%. If he doesnt do anything to keep himself alive, then Furious will kill him.

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Originally Posted by Tyla

6 seconds on the floor and the possibility of interrupting and disabling a skill will be immensely more powerful, and as said before, you can bring a bar with 7 attack skills and it's using the same logic you're using.

- You're speaking of a warrior pressuring a target in a longer period of time.
Now, i'm talking about a warrior, who cuts right through the necessities of interupting skills, that just kills the target in one go.

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Read it again. If you agree you should use Sundering on spikes, then you're disagreeing that Sundering should be camped.

You lost me here.

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Spiking a protted target is bad anyway.

Didn't I just say that a few posts back?

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And with your "spike" taking too long, it's easy to stop therefore your chances of dropping a target, at the same time as the increase, decrease. Not to mention your survivability.

What taking too long? it's the same as the conventional Evis only instead of Bulls it's Furious.

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My main point there was that because you're using a superior rune because "without a healer you'd lose anyway", everyone might as well use superiors because of that same reason.

1 superior rune is a just a minor health loss. If you want something you gotta sacrefice.

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And you're still stuck in Frenzy. Furious won't do crap to what happens, because you'll build more adrenaline and pressure target switching, so you might as well be running Power Attack instead...

Are u that frustrated with me that u become non understandable? Only thing I got from this was that I might as well be running Power Attack.

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If you assumed that then all I can say is you're attempting to troll, or you're in denial. Either way if you "assumed" that you shouldn't have placed it in your post.

Sorry, I have no clue what troll means. Also, it is in my right to assume that "smart" players, here on guru, know that one has to hit 4 times to charge rush.

First of all u didn't look at the big picture, all I was talking about was dmg dmg dmg. You understood, that I thought Furious would give me Adrenaline. No. Why would I want adrenaline when Furious is the end of my combo? Rush? Nty. I rather take down a monk.

If you're still trying to bring me down with this belittlement (lol.) go ahead.

But im growing tired of this, maybe I should just show u in temple. I'll ping u ingame.

xDusT II · Oct 24, 2008, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by Malis Of Monrovia

This build I meant for RA. It's the same concept as the conventional Shock Axe but with more dmg. For a warrior, the worst scenario is having a good healer not dropping your target. This build does it's job.

I disagree here. The Decap bar really has only one purpose - to spike. It simply does not have the energy or skills to support utility which in the long run will cause create more opportunities for kills. Damage spam might work in RA but ultimately the ability to set up more spikes, cause more disruption as well as be a more versatile character wins out in the end.

With the whole sundering thingo, Tyla is saying that sundering should only be used on spikes, which is correct. You'll output more damage with Vampiric.

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- We're talking about a warrior build aren't we?
- If you need to use shock over and over and over again, it means your targets aren't dropping. I rarely use shock on a non healer. Everyone will agree that it needs to be saved for more important targets.

- You're speaking of a warrior pressuring a target in a longer period of time.
Now, i'm talking about a warrior, who cuts right through the necessities of interupting skills, that just kills the target in one go.

What taking too long? it's the same as the conventional Evis only instead of Bulls it's Furious.

Shock is another KD, although Bull's is generally preferable to set up a spike, due to the additional damage, lack of after cast and no exhaustion. You also can't really compare Furious Axe to bull's. In your build furious acts as the deep wound trigger and main damage compression skill, a lot like Executioner's in the typical Shock Axe. Bull's on the other hand is probably the most versatile skill on a warriors bar, able to be used both offensively and defensively depending on the situation. A warrior that lacks Bull's Strike loses out on a lot of opportunities to make kills and this is only going to necessitate the need more more shock spam.

The fact is, Decapitate only has short term gains. You push out a bit more damage at the expense of more useful skills. Your main arguments seem to be that the build will wipe anything in a short period but the majority of times in serious PvP this won't be the case and your going to be stuck with a sub-par build without the depth to change the outcome of the game.

Tyla · Oct 24, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Malis Of Monrovia

- We're talking about a warrior build aren't we?

And Warriors shouldn't put a shit ton of attack skills on their bar to score kills. Again, if you really want to, roll a Dervish.

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- You're speaking of a warrior pressuring a target in a longer period of time.
Now, i'm talking about a warrior, who cuts right through the necessities of interupting skills, that just kills the target in one go.

And what makes interruption unneccesary? A Warrior's damage, other than on a Dragon Slasher (PvE) mainly comes from autoattacking.

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Didn't I just say that a few posts back?

Yes, and I am in agreement with that. My point is that Spirit Bond will do nothing to a Warrior running 14 Axe Mastery, making the enemy Monk use energy for no reason and allow you to bash him for longer.

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What taking too long? it's the same as the conventional Evis only instead of Bulls it's Furious.

The spike as a whole. The post illustrating the time it takes to get your damage off is already posted, so I don't feel the need to quote it at all.

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1 superior rune is a just a minor health loss. If you want something you gotta sacrefice.

It's roughly 10% of your health. That isn't "minor".

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Are u that frustrated with me that u become non understandable? Only thing I got from this was that I might as well be running Power Attack.

It makes sense. Furious will do next to nothing in contribution compared to damage, Power Attack will make a better skill to use. Even then Power Attack is bad.

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Sorry, I have no clue what troll means. Also, it is in my right to assume that "smart" players, here on guru, know that one has to hit 4 times to charge rush.

It does. Where in my posts have I denied that?

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First of all u didn't look at the big picture, all I was talking about was dmg dmg dmg. You understood, that I thought Furious would give me Adrenaline. No. Why would I want adrenaline when Furious is the end of my combo? Rush? Nty. I rather take down a monk.

If you want to deal the damage you might as well run Power Attack. Yay repetition.

Luminarus · Oct 25, 2008, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Malis Of Monrovia

lol? A good W/E doesnt shock spike until he knows that the target can't block, or that their blocking skill is recharging/disabled.

And lol I think I understand ur notion, you thought I meant Furious would give me adrenaline on hit. No u naab XD

You can only rush when you have the adrenaline to, can't you? Meaning you hit 3 more times, and since ur still in frenzy rush will be up in no time.

I fail huh? lol. pwn yourself.

1) If your spike worked, then u got nothing to build up adrenaline on
2) Ur still under frenzy for another 4 seconds without a cancel stance.
3) Under frenzy you attack once every second (give or take), that means after using decap, ur rush will be ready just as frenzy ends. This is 8 seconds of "please come rape me".
4) If furious is meant for its damage, y not use a fast casting attack like Critical (the one that interupts if you hit), or protectors.

Simple math, the general sin spike (just an example) takes like 5 seconds to go through. That can kill most things that arent protted by a monk. Ur build takes double damage for 8 seconds. If I saw you doing that, and I was a shock axe war, i would charge my spike, wait for you to go in for urs, and spike you. Even if I didnt kill you in the initial spike, I would drop you before rush recharged. The simple fact is that decap is not worth the slot. I wouldnt run it if it wasnt elite.

_Nihilist_ · Oct 26, 2008, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Simple math, the general sin spike (just an example) takes like 5 seconds to go through. That can kill most things that arent protted by a monk. Ur build takes double damage for 8 seconds. If I saw you doing that, and I was a shock axe war, i would charge my spike, wait for you to go in for urs, and spike you. Even if I didnt kill you in the initial spike, I would drop you before rush recharged. The simple fact is that decap is not worth the slot. I wouldnt run it if it wasnt elite.

QFT, bolded wins this argument, hands down

Malis, you said that this build was designed for use in RA, correct? There's a reason that people with RA Titles are laughed at by serious PvP players when the RA toon starts flapping their lips.

I understand your usage of Decapitate. I understand your usage of Furious Axe, but the sheer fact of the matter is exactly the point that Lumi has made: if your spike works, you have noone to charge Rush on to cancel Frenzy and even if your spike didn't work, for whatever reason, the time needed to gain enough Adrenaline after the spike is equal to the rest of the duration on Frenzy. You are just going to get nailed with this build.

Simply put, if I don't use Wild Blow on my Warrior (unless running a Scythewar), why am I going to use an Elite that drains both my Adrenaline and Energy to nil?

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I'm not.