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Paul Dawg · Mar 18, 2009, 04:41 PM // 16:41

FINALLY someone mentions [eviscerate]. I'm not much of an axer (I like KD, so on wars I use sword or hammer), but if you're gonna use an axe, you may as well use the best axe elite.

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Originally Posted by qvtkc

[Dragon Slash][Hundred Blades][Eviscerate][Warriors Endurance][Healing Hands]

sph0nz · Mar 18, 2009, 04:46 PM // 16:46

[healing hands][defy pain][vengeful was khanhei][obsidian flesh][ursan blessing]

MasterSasori · Mar 18, 2009, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

After careful consideration, I dropped triple chop for DS.

That would be the right move.

DS/SY is like pwnage. So long as you don't get blocked or miss.

Bobby2 · Mar 18, 2009, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

FINALLY someone mentions [eviscerate]. I'm not much of an axer (I like KD, so on wars I use sword or hammer), but if you're gonna use an axe, you may as well use the best axe elite.

[eviscerate][brawling headbutt]

sup

Winterclaw · Mar 18, 2009, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

FINALLY someone mentions [eviscerate]. I'm not much of an axer (I like KD, so on wars I use sword or hammer), but if you're gonna use an axe, you may as well use the best axe elite.

My opinion on Evi is that it is better in PvP than PvE.

zling · Mar 18, 2009, 07:29 PM // 19:29

[dragon slash]
[earth shaker]
[triple chop]
[hundred blades]
[warrior's endurance]

elites to think about for farming purposes:
[gladiator's defense]
[auspicious parry]

we're only talking about Warrior elites here, but keep in mind that secondary elites also work fine, mainly for farming.
[vengeful was khanhei]
[echo]
[healing hands]
[melandru's resilience]

Rhamia Darigaz · Mar 18, 2009, 08:00 PM // 20:00

[warrior's endurance]
[earth shaker]
[dragon slash]
and well that's it really but i guess if i had to pick 5:
[battle rage] because brage+[[never rampage alone] is kinda cool
[hundred blades] because what would pve be without farming i guess?

Paul Dawg · Mar 18, 2009, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Sure, but...

[dragon slash][brawling headbutt]

and

[earth shaker]

do a lot more KD than

[eviscerate][brawling headbutt]

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

[eviscerate][brawling headbutt]

sup

_Nihilist_ · Mar 18, 2009, 08:49 PM // 20:49

I'll run with [[email protected]] if I'm in HM and want to run an Axe build. Enemies don't blow up as fast, so I get to use Evis more often and it doesn't feel like a wasted Elite. That and with at least one of my Necro Heroes always carrying [[Weaken Armor], I just use [[Body [email protected]] to get my DW and don't even have to slot [[[email protected]] unless I absolutely want to - it's PvE, DW or no DW shit dies quickly. Otherwise, [[email protected]] is far more likely to turn up on a PvP bar, in PvE, not so much.

Other than that, it's [[email protected]]. [Whirling [email protected]] is nice when you know you are going to be facing mobs that use block skills, but unless that's the case, +29dmg is better than +19dmg, and if they aren't going to be blocking, chances are any Stance they might use is going to be little more than a minor annoyance whether or not it's active or removed.

Rhamia Darigaz · Mar 18, 2009, 09:47 PM // 21:47

[[cleave] is kinda meh. [[warrior's endurance] lets you spam [[power attack] for more damage at about the same rate, while also giving you tons of energy to use other energy skills - [[asuran scan] or [["you move like a dwarf!"] for example.

qvtkc · Mar 19, 2009, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

My opinion on Evi is that it is better in PvP than PvE.

In PvP, it's the best elite in the game, any profession. In PvE, it's merely the best axe elite.

ac1inferno · Mar 19, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

[[Eviscerate] is a strong skill in PvP, but I just don't think it's that good for PvE since you don't need the spike damage. Using another Elite that lets you spam more or do AoE like [[Warrior's Endurance] or [[Triple Chop] would help more.

Rhamia Darigaz · Mar 19, 2009, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by qvtkc

In PvP, it's the best elite in the game, any profession. In PvE, it's merely the best axe elite.

somebody's stuck in the past. warrior's endurance is better, even considering only warrior elites. even the current prage is on par with evis. there are more viable elites now and thus better options than trading off DW spammability for +29 dmg on your less frequent spikes.

ac1inferno · Mar 19, 2009, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

somebody's stuck in the past. warrior's endurance is better, even considering only warrior elites. even the current prage is on par with evis. there are more viable elites now and thus better options than trading off DW spammability for +29 dmg on your less frequent spikes.

[[Primal Rage] isn't that good anymore with 15 second recharge making line backing much more effective so I wouldn't say it's better than [[Eviscerate]. Sure, you can cancel stance it, but you won't be able to use it as much anymore.

But that doesn't put Eviscerate back into Axe Builds. Since the nerf of Primal Rage, I see Axes going back to Endurance Axe than Shock Axe since it allows them to spike constantly for more DPS and pressure, which helps more than a little bit stronger spike that happens less frequently. For Swords, I see them going back to [[Crippling Slash].

Bobby2 · Mar 19, 2009, 06:03 PM // 18:03

PRage still kicks ass in PvE, which is what this thread is about.

ac1inferno · Mar 20, 2009, 03:27 AM // 03:27

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

PRage still kicks ass in PvE, which is what this thread is about.

I don't see the point of using [[Primal Rage] as your Elite in PvE. IAS is nice, but since foes don't kite, the IMS is kind of wasted. And also because they don't kite, [[Flail] works good for an IAS so you don't need to waste an Elite slot for one.

Lourens · Mar 20, 2009, 09:10 AM // 09:10

["for great justice!"][flail][cleave]

Cleave owns =D

Arkantos · Mar 20, 2009, 09:59 AM // 09:59

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Originally Posted by qvtkc

In PvP, it's the best elite in the game, any profession. In PvE, it's merely the best axe elite.

A WE warrior is going to be dishing out +36 damage every 3 seconds, deep wound every 5 adrenaline, and a 1/2 second attack with a possible additional 36 damage. An eviscerate warrior is going to be dishing out +29 damage and deep wound every 8 adrenaline, and +36 with possible deep wound every 7 adrenaline.

I don't think I need to tell you who wins out of that.

Hugh Manatee · Mar 20, 2009, 12:29 PM // 12:29

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

I don't see the point of using [[Primal Rage] as your Elite in PvE. IAS is nice, but since foes don't kite, the IMS is kind of wasted. And also because they don't kite, [[Flail] works good for an IAS so you don't need to waste an Elite slot for one.

Yes they do, they do a lot, at least the HM stuff in prophecies like the monks and casters I've been fighting know when to haul ass. The shiverpeak protecters, the maguuma protecters and grawl and a few other caster type mobs like to haul ass when they see me coming, run my ass around while their arriors and rangers chop up my softies.

Though P-rage is inferior to Drunken Master in PvE. Even without the booze the non elite bar compression and duration make it awesome.

ac1inferno · Mar 20, 2009, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by Lourens

["for great justice!"][flail][cleave]

Cleave owns =D

[build prof=w/any axe=12+1+1 stre=12+1][warrior's endurance][flail][power attack][/build]

Beats that.

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Originally Posted by Hugh Manatee

Yes they do, they do a lot, at least the HM stuff in prophecies like the monks and casters I've been fighting know when to haul ass. The shiverpeak protecters, the maguuma protecters and grawl and a few other caster type mobs like to haul ass when they see me coming, run my ass around while their arriors and rangers chop up my softies.

Though P-rage is inferior to Drunken Master in PvE. Even without the booze the non elite bar compression and duration make it awesome.

That's really odd lol. All the time I play PvE, I've never had someone try to kite from me, even in HM. I think it might be because I use a MM on one of my heroes so all the minions running around is blocking them in.