Curse

BlowFish · Jun 12, 2006, 12:11 PM // 12:11

'Some ritualist' (I can hear the sneer Im afraid). You 'ordered' him to re-spec. See there's the rub, I'd have challenged you too I'm afraid. Personaly I find it sad when people are arrogant %$£'s and show a complete lack of social skills just because they are hiden in anonimity behind thier keyboards. I blame the parents.

I wonder why people get so hung up on having the 'perfect' party I find it rather sad. There are only a couple of pve encounters that are more than a little tricky after all, mostly I take a picnic. Some of the best pugs I have been part of have been completely 'unbalanced'. The leader has just gone bang bang bang your in, we kick off within 2 minutes and have absolutely creamed the mission not long after that. Refreshing. Maybe its me trying to have a positive outlook but the more meticulously planned the PuG the worse it seems to be!

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Originally Posted by arrowlord

During grouping for a mission some ritualist wanted to join my party. I asked him whats his spec, he answered channeling. I orderd him to respec to healing + prot, he called me a newb and said that rits can dmg as well as eles ( of course he got a kick ).

True ?

ChaoticCoyote · Jun 12, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by BlowFish

'Some ritualist' (I can hear the sneer Im afraid). You 'ordered' him to re-spec. See there's the rub, I'd have challenged you too I'm afraid. Personaly I find it sad when people are arrogant %$£'s and show a complete lack of social skills just because they are hiden in anonimity behind thier keyboards. I blame the parents.

I wonder why people get so hung up on having the 'perfect' party I find it rather sad. There are only a couple of pve encounters that are more than a little tricky after all, mostly I take a picnic. Some of the best pugs I have been part of have been completely 'unbalanced'. The leader has just gone bang bang bang your in, we kick off within 2 minutes and have absolutely creamed the mission not long after that. Refreshing. Maybe its me trying to have a positive outlook but the more meticulously planned the PuG the worse it seems to be!

I couldn't agree more!

When I form a group, I grab whoever's available. Mesmers, rangers, non-standard builds -- heck, I'll even take a Wammo or two! No interviews or demands for people to change their characters, although I will talk to other rangers (I'm usually one myself) to coordinate skills.

I urge people to start their own groups, rather than beg to be let into some snotty group that plays the game like it was a formula.

ChaoticCoyote · Jun 12, 2006, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by arrowlord

And I havbe no reason to take some screaming soloer. When Im the leader, its my way or its not.

The point is he doesnt want to cooperate so he isnt going with me.

In any party i always take 2x monk + 1 ele with wards or rit. And for fu cking sake cant u people understand that i have no duty to take someone ? I can kick him with any reason, i may not like color of his armor, or just dont like the way he speaks. My choice.

Yes, you have every right to be an arrogant, rude jerk.

Enjoy yourself!

Robin_Anadri · Jun 12, 2006, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by arrowlord

Definately. D e f i n a t e l y.

Oh no, you DIDN'T! *lol* You dare risk the wrath of the Spelling And Grammar Nazis, on a web forum?

You ask when this thread became about YOU and not your question? Fairly early in the process, because you do things like this.

As has been previously noted, your "correction" was incorrect. The word is "definitely," being based on the root word "finite" and originating in Latin with "definitus." See also, "infinite" and "definitive."

While we're at it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by arrowlord

During grouping for a mission some ritualist wanted to join my party. I asked him whats his spec, he answered channeling. I orderd him to respec to healing + prot, he called me a newb and said that rits can dmg as well as eles ( of course he got a kick ).

True ?

whats his spec
Let's begin with the most egregious violation, the omission of the apostrophe in the word "what's." It's bad enough that this contraction of "what is" was misspelled, but it's compounded by the fact that there is no grammatical situation in which the spelling you chose is correct, unless you manufacture a case where "what" is used as a noun: "You gave me a thing, a that, and a what. I didn't want the that, I wanted a thing and two whats."

Of lesser importance, but still worth noting, is that even had you employed correct apostrophe usage, the statement would then read "I asked him what's (what is) his spec," which is awkward at best. The more generally accepted way to record your verbal transaction would have been to say "I asked him what his spec was."

orderd
Ordered. O r d e r e d.

( of and kick ).
The spaces between your open and close parentheses are incorrect.

course he
You omitted a necessary comma between these words: "of course, he got a kick."

True ?
Again, incorrect space between your text and punctuation.

Cheers!

JoeKnowMo · Jun 12, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Admin, close this thread please. It's gone way off topic and has become personal.

Saider maul · Jun 12, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45

just change the name to grammer 101.lol

Robin_Anadri · Jun 12, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

Admin, close this thread please. It's gone way off topic and has become personal.

hu·mor (hyoo·mur) n.
1. The quality that makes something laughable or amusing; funniness: could not see the humor of the situation.
2. That which is intended to induce laughter or amusement: a writer skilled at crafting humor.
3. The ability to perceive, enjoy, or express what is amusing, comical, incongruous, or absurd.

arrowlord · Jun 13, 2006, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by Robin_Anadri

Oh no, you DIDN'T! *lol* You dare risk the wrath of the Spelling And Grammar Nazis, on a web forum?

You ask when this thread became about YOU and not your question? Fairly early in the process, because you do things like this.

As has been previously noted, your "correction" was incorrect. The word is "definitely," being based on the root word "finite" and originating in Latin with "definitus." See also, "infinite" and "definitive."

While we're at it...

whats his spec
Let's begin with the most egregious violation, the omission of the apostrophe in the word "what's." It's bad enough that this contraction of "what is" was misspelled, but it's compounded by the fact that there is no grammatical situation in which the spelling you chose is correct, unless you manufacture a case where "what" is used as a noun: "You gave me a thing, a that, and a what. I didn't want the that, I wanted a thing and two whats."

Of lesser importance, but still worth noting, is that even had you employed correct apostrophe usage, the statement would then read "I asked him what's (what is) his spec," which is awkward at best. The more generally accepted way to record your verbal transaction would have been to say "I asked him what his spec was."

orderd
Ordered. O r d e r e d.

( of and kick ).
The spaces between your open and close parentheses are incorrect.

course he
You omitted a necessary comma between these words: "of course, he got a kick."

True ?
Again, incorrect space between your text and punctuation.

Cheers!

I laughed about 5 mins of it.

Hell good one.

holden · Jun 13, 2006, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by arrowlord

I laughed about 5 mins of it.

Hell good one.

it was pretty funny.

freakin english majors

BlowFish · Jun 13, 2006, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by arrowlord

In any party i always take 2x monk + 1 ele with wards or rit. And for fu cking sake cant u people understand that i have no duty to take someone ? I can kick him with any reason, i may not like color of his armor, or just dont like the way he speaks. My choice.

Truly sad that we have moved beyond aroggant &^%$ to bigoted facist. I guess you only take characters with Arean armour (silver+silver+yellow) and I'd be very wary of toons that didn't have blonde hair if I where you. Also a quick 15 minute test to demonstrate they have 'pure GW knowledge & beliefs' would surely save disapointment once the mission is started.

I wonder why you would want a healing rit in addition to the two monks you always take? Ahh i have it, I bet you order them to re-spec to smite?

I would bet long odds that most people could finish the mission with a completely random group before you have half your uber leet team together. The PVE missions are trivial bar one or two.

I'm not sure why I am bothering here, megalomaniacs err I mean 'great leaders' seldom have time to listen to any other point of view. I agree lock the thread, ban the OP. When you start talking color and mode of speech thats thinly disguised racism.

edit : the political correctness police have struck now too ;-)

frickaline · Jun 13, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by BlowFish

I guess you only take characters with Arean armour (silver+silver+yellow)

I might have to go rinse out my eyes after reading this, the geekiest metaphor ever.

darrylhaines · Jun 13, 2006, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Originally Posted by arrowlord
In any party i always take 2x monk + 1 ele with wards or rit.

Right, so 2 monks (lv20 I would think) aren't enough?

You don't order anyone mate, it's just not done.

As you already have two monk's, why the full heal and protect?
Why didn't you ask him to take a few healing skills after he had already told you he/she was a channeling Rit?

Or are you not that good and it take's a 3rd healer to keep you alive?

Robin_Anadri · Jun 13, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by holden

it was pretty funny.

freakin english majors

Actually, only an English minor.

Of course, it was accidental, the minor built into my degree was social sciences, I ended up taking more English classes electively and got a double minor with far more credit hours in English than social science.

So, perhaps... almost an English major.

Pick Me · Jun 13, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

I can only guess that if you have 2 monks, 2 healers or 1 healer and 1 bonder, then a Ritualist Restoration/Communion is good to have. Arrowlord already stated either Elementalist with Wards (extra protection) or Ritualist Healing/Prot. Why? Simply put, have you been in a PUG? I've been in so many, its impossible to keep track. Sometimes you are lucky and you don't need to worry about healing or damage or conditions, because everyone plays intelligently and no one worries about anything. It just clicks. Other times you end up with at least 1 person who doesn't act rationally or carry the right skills for the task at hand (usually happens when they try the mission for the first time). Extra healing/protection is never a waste (unless thats all you have, and no one can do any damage).

As the leader Arrowlord has the right to accept or reject anyone who doesn't fill in the roll that the leader wants/needs.

Claymore · Jun 13, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

And yet again, the point is not his right to reject the Rit from his PUG, but the context and attitude he adpoting in doing so. Demanding someone change their build just cause he said so is wrong, if asked using common courtesy and the Rit said no then you politely excuse the Rit from the group.

Hell my 3 year old son shows more common courtesy than the OP did.

Pick Me · Jun 13, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Claymore

And yet again, the point is not his right to reject the Rit from his PUG, but the context and attitude he adpoting in doing so. Demanding someone change their build just cause he said so is wrong, if asked using common courtesy and the Rit said no then you politely excuse the Rit from the group.

Hell my 3 year old son shows more common courtesy than the OP did.

I said it before, I'll say it again. Arrowlord should be more polite in requesting, not demanding, someone to change their build into something that is more beneficial to the team (in the eyes of the leader). However, Arrowlord still has the right to kick people off the team for many reasons. Granted, just because you dress like a clown, doesn't necessarily mean you are one. But bits of your style, your speech, your manerisms will tip off to people what type of person you are. If you are asked something, like what type of build are you, and you don't responded. You should be kicked out. Why, because if you refuse to answer a simple question like that (and you never said you were brb or afk) then it is assumed that you desire not to be a team player. I've seen many who choose not to answer simple questions and never move their character. So I say you were looking for a free ride. You get left behind (the rest go back to town and regroup).

The ritualist yelled at Arrowlord saying Arrowlord is a newb and screaming that Ritualists are good at doing damage. What does that have to do with anything. Arrowlord didn't say that Rits couldn't do damage, Arrowlord wanted a healer/protector. Both parties were rude, and if you say that Arrowlord started it, why didn't the ritualist take the highroad and not demand or scream about what other things a rit can do?

Rude is rude, so Arrowlord should not be demanding people to change, but Arrowlord did have the right to kick people out.

Claymore · Jun 13, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

, but Arrowlord did have the right to kick people out.

Did you even read my post? I didn't question his right, and as for the Rit screaming, you don't know that, we have only the OP's word for it and even then the OP himself said the RIT simply called him a newb. Not screamed, not ranted. Besides being rude the other issue is the OP's comments, he is being close minded about the class and disregarding people who know better and trying to correct him.

I am not saying that the Rit was completely in the right, but based on the OP's own words on the situation, he didn't do a hell of alot wrong.

Pick Me · Jun 13, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by Claymore

Did you even read my post? I didn't question his right, and as for the Rit screaming, you don't know that, we have only the OP's word for it and even then the OP himself said the RIT simply called him a newb. Not screamed, not ranted. Besides being rude the other issue is the OP's comments, he is being close minded about the class and disregarding people who know better and trying to correct him.

I am not saying that the Rit was completely in the right, but based on the OP's own words on the situation, he didn't do a hell of alot wrong.

Yes, I did read your entire response. I agree with you, we are only hearing one side of the story, but until we get the otherside, unfotunately, we can only go by what accounts we heard taking place (just like the media). Arrowlord is stating that:

QUOTE FROM ARROWLORD:
During grouping for a mission some ritualist wanted to join my party. I asked him whats his spec, he answered channeling. I orderd him to respec to healing + prot, he called me a newb and said that rits can dmg as well as eles ( of course he got a kick ).

True ?

I don't know what Arrowlord was asking for in the chat to all, I'm only guessing that he asked for Healing/Protect. If this is true, then the Ritualist should not have joined with Arrowlord in the first place. If however, Arrowlord didn't specify what the group needed, then Arrowlord should have stated it in the beginning.

Now I'm guessing Arrowlord gave us the summary of the conversation, so I don't know when the word "newb" came about (if the Rit said Arrowlord was a newb right from the start or if Arrowlord was the one who said that Rits can't do damage, who's to say), but the end result is Arrowlord was the leader of the group and kicked out a non-team player.

Yes, I read between the lines regarding the Rits response based on Arrowlord's description of what occured.

The fact that Arrowlord stated what he wanted and the fact that the Ritualist didn't want to change shows that the Ritualist is not a team player. In PvE and especially PvP and GvG, you need team players. If you don't want to work with a team, then you should leave. I'll leave a team if it benefits the team (because I can always get by one way or another). People who afk, who cap only, who don't respect the team as a whole isn't worth partying with. I never said the Rit was in the wrong, but when you come down to it, the Rits can do very good damage, but if a team needs something else, other than a Channeler, then the leader should get someone else.

Claymore · Jun 13, 2006, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Your definition of a team player seems slightly skewed, if not warped, but anyway. My take on the situation, OP grouped a Rit, he has preconcieved ideas that Rits are protection monks with a neat hat, the Rit corrects him, the OP, DEMANDS the Rit change to what he thinks it should be, the RIT tells him to take a long walk off a short Pier, OP kicks him.
It is the OP"s preconcieved, uninformed, opinion of what he thinks a class is that propegated the whole situation, I would have called him a newb as well, if not at least leave the group.
NO ONE has ever argured the OP had no right to kick him, SO STOP REPEATING YOURSELF.

I am finished trying to speak in circles, repeating myself in different words trying to make this any clearer. This thread should be closed.

axe · Jun 13, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by frickaline

I might have to go rinse out my eyes after reading this, the geekiest metaphor ever.

That had me laughing for a good 5 min. Thanks for that one!!

I wanted to read this thread to see a damage dealing rit build, I didnt realize what I was getting into.