Curse

Xasew · Jun 05, 2006, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Destruction+Draw Spirit+Pain+Rupture Soul is enough to keep everyone around you blinded constantly while actually doing damage to them.
If you didn't get it:
Use Destruction, wait a moment, run in, Draw the spirit and use Rupture. Now you're safe for 10 seconds and you've done 200+ damage to everyone around you. Now use Destruction continued by Pain and Rupture the Pain immediatly. When Rupture recharges, use it on the Destruction.
Remember to Draw the spirits with you in case the monsters around you die too fast.

Cold · Jun 05, 2006, 10:28 AM // 10:28

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Originally Posted by Xasew

Destruction+Draw Spirit+Pain+Rupture Soul is enough to keep everyone around you blinded constantly while actually doing damage to them.
If you didn't get it:
Use Destruction, wait a moment, run in, Draw the spirit and use Rupture. Now you're safe for 10 seconds and you've done 200+ damage to everyone around you. Now use Destruction continued by Pain and Rupture the Pain immediatly. When Rupture recharges, use it on the Destruction.
Remember to Draw the spirits with you in case the monsters around you die too fast.

You forgot Lamentation, 106dmg in 1/4 sec ignoring armor.

Valkyries · Jun 05, 2006, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by Dahnel

bwahahahah .. oh how i did laugh when i read that

hehehehe me too mate... I almost fell off my chair.

And its true... maybe you are not a "noob" to the game but for sure you are a noob when it comes to ritualists... you know virtually nothing about the class if thats really what you think about it.

Ritualists IMO are way better than Ele's. They can do more, they have BETTER dmg (yes thats right, I said better) and they can also casts spirits and have great versitility....

For him not to respec from your every request I say good for him. He/She will have no problem finding a group with people who are actually open minded. Let me ask you this... what class do you play? Lets assume its Necro just for the sake of arguments. You are MM Necro... then you have some complete moron who never played a Necro in their life go "Change to SS N00b, MM is dead now after the nerf, its crap... use real skills" See the comparision??? You are that person

Incase you aren't on the ball and missed my point, people should be allowed to play what they want. Its not like the missions are so hard.... and its not PVP where you have to have a perfectly sync'ed group. Im sorry but I think he was completely right. I would have done the same thing (all the same Im a resto Rit but because I CHOOSE to be...). If someone asks me nicely to respec I will consider it but on my terms not because someone droped a hat so I had to follow.

arrowlord · Jun 05, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by Valkyries

Incase you aren't on the ball and missed my point, people should be allowed to play what they want. Its not like the missions are so hard.... and its not PVP where you have to have a perfectly sync'ed group. Im sorry but I think he was completely right. I would have done the same thing (all the same Im a resto Rit but because I CHOOSE to be...). If someone asks me nicely to respec I will consider it but on my terms not because someone droped a hat so I had to follow.

Its leaders duty to 'configure' good party. When I want a protector in my group i hell dont want some ~nuking ritualist. And its my choice to take him or not, and u can be sure i wont take anyone who doesnt want to change his spec to fill the group. Just get more obedience...

Valkyries · Jun 05, 2006, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by arrowlord

Its leaders duty to 'configure' good party. When I want a protector in my group i hell dont want some ~nuking ritualist. And its my choice to take him or not, and u can be sure i wont take anyone who doesnt want to change his spec to fill the group. Just get more obedience...

Get Obedience?? haha are you serious??

You must have been an old WoW player were you?

Let me ask you something.... did you pay for the persons account? Did you buy the game for them? Do you play their account so they gain levels or get items for them? Do you farm faction, do you do ANYTHING for this person apart from group? Exactly.. so get a grip on yourself....

People bought the game and they can play it however they damn well choose. If they want to play as a Damage dealing Ritualist you have absolutely no right to tell them not to. You are ignorant to think anything of the contrary.

That being said, yes if you are the group leader you can pick and choose who you want to have with you on your team. That is after all one of your rights... that still doesn't mean you are a good one.

frickaline · Jun 05, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

arrowlord, I am overwhelmed by your elite teamworking abilities. Not to mention your common sense for making a post like this in the *ritualist* forum. Did you honestly expect to find support for your intolerance of ritualists here? Seriously, what were you thinking?

Also, it is incredibly egotistical (and in your case, flat out wrong) to believe you know how to play someone else's character better than they do. You know nothing about a person in a PUG. What makes you think that you should tell them how to play? A request/suggestion is one thing, but an order? Good luck finding anyone competent who will consent to play with you given those restraints.

Pick Me · Jun 05, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

First off, you should demand anything from people. The best you can do is politely ask if they would change their skills to something else. To demand something from them is demeaning and insulting to others.

Ritualists can do some nasty lightning damage when set properly. So to only think they can heal/protect means you are being short sighted. However, from what was originally stated, it seems to me that you didn't mean that Ritualist can't do damage, you just wanted more healing/protection. Since you didn't state what your party consists of, I can only guess that your party was suffering, just like most PUGs, a lack of healing or protection (to mitigate damage). If you had 7 players doing damage (warriors, assassins, rangers, eles, and now a rit) and only 1 monk (or ritualist), a second healer is probably best. If you didn't state what you needed for your party (ie: GLF Healer) then you should have asked the ritualist to become what the party needs. No sense having people who want to complete the mission and then fail because no one was healing. Then end up with people leaving the group and calling the leader a noob.

People should announce their intentions for what they are going with. I always state what I need (if I'm the leader) or what I am bringing to the group. If I have to change for a mission in order to help the group, then I will. If people are inflexible about their character, then they should pm the leader and say, "I'm .... can I join." The goal should always be the mission/quest, and do whatever needs to be done in order to accomplish that task. There are the evil stupid people who are only out for themselves (ie. caping only, but won't state that).

Were you in the right to kick the rit out? Yes, but not for being called a noob, but for getting someone who is a team player. Same token, as a leader, you should be nicer to others when getting them to switch their stats. The last thing you want is an angry healer who won't heal you.

arrowlord · Jun 05, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Valkyries

If they want to play as a Damage dealing Ritualist you have absolutely no right to tell them not to. You are ignorant to think anything of the contrary.

And I havbe no reason to take some screaming soloer. When Im the leader, its my way or its not.

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

First off, you should demand anything from people. The best you can do is politely ask if they would change their skills to something else. To demand something from them is demeaning and insulting to others.

The point is he doesnt want to cooperate so he isnt going with me.

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

I can only guess that your party was suffering, just like most PUGs, a lack of healing or protection (to mitigate damage). I

In any party i always take 2x monk + 1 ele with wards or rit. And for fu cking sake cant u people understand that i have no duty to take someone ? I can kick him with any reason, i may not like color of his armor, or just dont like the way he speaks. My choice.

kerpow · Jun 05, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by arrowlord

In any party i always take 2x monk + 1 ele with wards or rit. And for fu cking sake cant u people understand that i have no duty to take someone ? I can kick him with any reason, i may not like color of his armor, or just dont like the way he speaks. My choice.

The issue is how you handled it and the general attitude of your response rather than whether or not you have the choice to deny an invite. It's a matter of etiquette.

If you need a healer for your group you look for a healer. It's not proper to look for someone who is playing a proffession that can heal and demand they heal.

Since Ritualists can be good at a lot of things you should try specifying what type of Ritualist you want as you'll get better results.

Skarjak · Jun 05, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by arrowlord

And I havbe no reason to take some screaming soloer. When Im the leader, its my way or its not.

The point is he doesnt want to cooperate so he isnt going with me.

In any party i always take 2x monk + 1 ele with wards or rit. And for fu cking sake cant u people understand that i have no duty to take someone ? I can kick him with any reason, i may not like color of his armor, or just dont like the way he speaks. My choice.

You must be a fun person to play with.

arrowlord · Jun 05, 2006, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by Skarjak

You must be a fun person to play with.

Not fun but reliable. When i invest my precious time to form a party i want to be one hundred percent sure that we have good chances to make it and dont get wiped because some guy decided to go damage instead of healing in the middle of a battle.

Cjlr · Jun 05, 2006, 11:52 PM // 23:52

First of all, I usually make a point of asking what the party thinks I should bring for whatever particular mission/quest.

Second... Elementalist damage is pitiful. It always has been. From what I can see, it always will be. Elementalists are hopelessly outclassed for single target damage, and they don't even compete well on multi-target damage versus things like Barrage, SS, or Ritualist nukes.

Crazyvietguy · Jun 06, 2006, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by frickaline

arrowlord, I am overwhelmed by your elite teamworking abilities. Not to mention your common sense for making a post like this in the *ritualist* forum. Did you honestly expect to find support for your intolerance of ritualists here? Seriously, what were you thinking?

EXACTLY this is a ritualist forum, instead of showing us how your a great teammaker. You should have not fought, all of this and just learned from it. Perhaps your reliable but people like you are a pain to play with. Sure i like to have a solid group (2 monks, 1 warrior.. usually) but I dont "order" people around. AND I dont EVER tell someone that they are wrong, dumb, or challange their obvious superiority on a subject. The people responding to you are RITUALIST USERS, you sir (as i can tell from your post) are not. Ever since the AOE panic patch the Ele's output damage has never been the same. Channelling has become the new Firestorm + Meteor Shower, except more effective. So next time your looking for group members ask them how the build works (if your not familiar) and after they explain, ask them (nicely) to either tweak or change their class). As for me, if a group needs my restoration im willing to change my build to suit. However if someone tells me, oh change or you kicked.. well ill usually hit that leave button myself.

Valkyries · Jun 06, 2006, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

EXACTLY this is a ritualist forum, instead of showing us how your a great teammaker. You should have not fought, all of this and just learned from it. Perhaps your reliable but people like you are a pain to play with. Sure i like to have a solid group (2 monks, 1 warrior.. usually) but I dont "order" people around. AND I dont EVER tell someone that they are wrong, dumb, or challange their obvious superiority on a subject. The people responding to you are RITUALIST USERS, you sir (as i can tell from your post) are not. Ever since the AOE panic patch the Ele's output damage has never been the same. Channelling has become the new Firestorm + Meteor Shower, except more effective. So next time your looking for group members ask them how the build works (if your not familiar) and after they explain, ask them (nicely) to either tweak or change their class). As for me, if a group needs my restoration im willing to change my build to suit. However if someone tells me, oh change or you kicked.. well ill usually hit that leave button myself.

Couldn't agree more.... very well said!

kinetik · Jun 06, 2006, 07:15 AM // 07:15

arrowlord..if i ever see you ingame remind me not to group with you..

Haggard · Jun 06, 2006, 07:18 AM // 07:18

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Originally Posted by arrowlord

I orderd him to respec to healing + prot

You picked up a rit, and asked him to monk? O_o

holden · Jun 06, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Haggard

You picked up a rit, and asked him to monk? O_o

he did. because there aren't very many monks around cantha and groups grow impatient.

i agree with arrow that it's his group and it all falls on him. if he's loaded down with ele's and necros and short on healing then why wouldn't he ask the rit to change up? more than that the Rit should know coming into a full group that he's gonna be asked to heal. imo he should offer what service he can provide to better help the team.

yes he can kill and blow shit up but he can throw around 5 energy, 100 point heals and remove conditions as well. and that's what the team needed.

arrow's delivery was harsh and comes across as 'i know more than you so F off'. but the Rit saw the numbers in the group and the lack of healing and should have changed to restoration before being asked. its not a 'i have a bigger penis than an ele' game. it's a team game. i would rather play for a dic that knows what he's doing than someone just inviting people and hoping for the best.

Tainek · Jun 06, 2006, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by holden

he did. because there aren't very many monks around cantha and groups grow impatient.

i agree with arrow that it's his group and it all falls on him. if he's loaded down with ele's and necros and short on healing then why wouldn't he ask the rit to change up? more than that the Rit should know coming into a full group that he's gonna be asked to heal. imo he should offer what service he can provide to better help the team.

yes he can kill and blow shit up but he can throw around 5 energy, 100 point heals and remove conditions as well. and that's what the team needed.

arrow's delivery was harsh and comes across as 'i know more than you so F off'. but the Rit saw the numbers in the group and the lack of healing and should have changed to restoration before being asked. its not a 'i have a bigger penis than an ele' game. it's a team game. i would rather play for a dic that knows what he's doing than someone just inviting people and hoping for the best.

Its not about what role the rit shoudl be playing, its the arrogent attitude involved, you dont "Order" sombody to change, you ask politely, and if they dont, then you let them go

He also make Smirky Comments Regarding Ritualists as Nukers, In a Ritualist forum, Despite knowing nothing (and he clearly displays a Distinct lack of even the most basic fundimental knowlege) about the class. And the statisics dont lie, he was incorrect.

I wont disagree that having an organised party is Important, but having a polite attitude is important attitude

holden · Jun 06, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06

i agree with what you say. imo he should have been polite. but im a polite guy. maybe the real-life arrow is arrogant and mean. are we all gonna line up and tell him to make some life changes?

bottom line is it was his card to fill out. the Rit can start his own group if he wants to run channeling. The assassins get that. you see them starting groups all the time-it's the only consistant way for them to get in a group.

the class is too new for everyone to understand and respect what can be done besides the obvious heal and protect. there was a time when people thought rangers weren't good and mesmers worthless. the Rit train is rolling but it may be awhile before people are asking for anything other than heal.

Tainek · Jun 06, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by holden

i agree with what you say. imo he should have been polite. but im a polite guy. maybe the real-life arrow is arrogant and mean. are we all gonna line up and tell him to make some life changes?

bottom line is it was his card to fill out. the Rit can start his own group if he wants to run channeling. The assassins get that. you see them starting groups all the time-it's the only consistant way for them to get in a group.

the class is too new for everyone to understand and respect what can be done besides the obvious heal and protect. there was a time when people thought rangers weren't good and mesmers worthless. the Rit train is rolling but it may be awhile before people are asking for anything other than heal.

"Well I still find channeling rits as ele-wannabe."

Comments like that are what we have a problem with. He just writes the class off without even taking a gander at what the class can do (and his comments about drawing aggro alone prove he didnt spend more than 20 seconds looking at the skills)

While we might not all need to line up and tell him to change his lifestyle, if we dont say anything while he is an asshat, whats to stop every single player acting like an ass? its not as if anyones going to say or do anything about it