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Amy Awien · Jan 06, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by Wyat Hawke

This argument makes no sense, it's like asking why we wouldn't want the best.

You are not making sense when you assume that what you want from your game is the same thing that what others want to get from their own game.

Optimal is when everyone is getting the most fun from their game.

Darkpower Alchemist · Jan 06, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Smite monks can more than likely out damage a ranger in damage output due to the fact that armor is ignored for smite attacks. Otherwise,cast times come into play, which would ground DPS if not less than 1s cast times.

The ranger as a DPS killer lacks, but that is because the ranger's game mechanics are based on not speed, but precision. Even with and IAS of any type, the ranger in the case of DPS output is considerably lower in the big picture. Spike damage isn't really considered DPS as the concept of spiking comes more with the thought of Large Damage in a Short timespan. However, spike damage in the ranger's case can no longer be ignored with the advance of the EoTN skill [wiki]Sloth Hunter's Shot[/wiki].

A DPS ranger is possible, but when it would take 12-15 seconds to kill with high damage compared to 8-10 seconds as a warrior, you may want to rethink your role. Yet, if you want a damage dealing ranger, sloth hunter's+Prepared Shot+Savage Shot can be a monster trio. E management+damage output= GG.

Scary Raebbit · Jan 06, 2008, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

You are not making sense when you assume that what you want from your game is the same thing that what others want to get from their own game.

Optimal is when everyone is getting the most fun from their game.

Winning is fun.
Losing is not fun.

Wyat Hawke · Jan 06, 2008, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

You are not making sense when you assume that what you want from your game is the same thing that what others want to get from their own game.

Optimal is when everyone is getting the most fun from their game.

I can understand that, but is that reason enough for running a geotank in RA? I mean, you are having fun and all, but I hardly think the 3 other players on yoru team will have the same joy...

I can see this if the OP wanted to do DPS in PvE, but in PvP (which I'm giving advise on here), you are actually playing with a team, and I don't know of any team that only plays to lose...

Quaker · Jan 06, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by Wyat Hawke

You're not getting it right with that analogy though, because F1 and NASCAR are different formats, just like GvG and HA is.

My point in the Analogy is that the OP wants to do DPS with his Ranger - you are trying to tell him to use some other class.
Jeff Gordan wants to do top speed with his NASCAR car - you'd tell him to use an F1 car.
If you can't see the analogy - I give up. You're probably just trolling.

Scary Raebbit · Jan 06, 2008, 09:12 AM // 09:12

You're analogy is like saying, the bowman should go to FPS because he can't fast enough with a bow.
F1 and NASCAR are two different, separate entities.
Last I checked, Warrior and Ranger are in the same game. You have the choice to use them in the same game. I don't see F1 cars racing in Daytona.
Also, it's easier to roll a Warrior than to switch from competitive stock car racing to competitive formula racing.

Amy Awien · Jan 06, 2008, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Scary Raebbit

Winning is fun.
Losing is not fun.

Winning is shallow fun, winning with a character you enjoy playing is real fun.

Amy Awien · Jan 06, 2008, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by Wyat Hawke

I can understand that, but is that reason enough for running a geotank in RA? I mean, you are having fun and all, but I hardly think the 3 other players on yoru team will have the same joy...

A geotank in RA is a somewhat particular situation. If you play RA then it's that particular gametype that you enjoy and part of that would be playing in a team and looking at the needs of the team, and the enjoyment of the other people in there with you.

audioaxes · Jan 06, 2008, 09:36 AM // 09:36

glass arrows
forked arrow
flail

Scary Raebbit · Jan 06, 2008, 09:38 AM // 09:38

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Winning is shallow fun, winning with a character you enjoy playing is real fun.

Yeah, you can win with a character you enjoy by not using a shitty build or not using the character in a role it is not meant to be in.
Rangers had it's hey day as spikers, but that day is over now. With defense web rolling around, interrupts and movement control are prime priority. Interrupt Aegis, DA, Ward Melee (lol), or whatever while the enemy team is under Shields Up and WY and then the characters who CAN deal damage can push in for a kill. Interrupt Diversion since it is mainly the Ranger's job to tag that with D-Shot. Alleviated a potential bad situation. Can also D-Shot Sig Humility or push to get AoM/DA by watching the timer.
Not to mention that poison is pressure on multiple targets.
Rangers have high survivability in skirmishes, which should happen if you split. Running a prep, Conjure, Dual/Sloth, and Punishing/Savage/Prep Shot pretty much makes you a stand player that has less of a chance to deal damage. Side stepping owns you, positioning owns you, taking cover behind a wall owns your damage.
Through interruption and movement control, you can let your melee and/or gon deal more damage which will be a lot more than you can pack on a Ranger bar.
Playing a skilled team with decent builds, it will be harder to win with a shit bar no matter how much you enjoy it.

netniwk · Jan 06, 2008, 09:42 AM // 09:42

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Winning is shallow fun, winning with a character you enjoy playing is real fun.

asking on a forum what build you(the op) would enjoy playing the most is imposbile.

Clarissa F · Jan 06, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

I'm cooking barbeque over this thread.

Old Man Of Ascalon · Jan 06, 2008, 10:30 PM // 22:30

For PvE, I primarly run this:

Glass Arrows
Sloth Hunters Shot
Needling Shot
Distracting Shot
Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support
Throw Dirt
Whirling Defense
Optional (I use either "I Am The Strongest!" or Smooth Criminal dependent on the situation.)

Spikes good, especially with a Sundering Weapon or at least a Hornbow. I run high, HIGH expertise with this build, so the energy saved from attacks allows me to use the 10 energy Vanguard Assassin for a bit more damage output.

V. Blackarrow · Jan 28, 2008, 12:55 PM // 12:55

It's very easy to make good damager/interrupter out of ranger, after the Jan. 16th update

....which looks like this...

[skill]Marksman's Wager[/skill][skill]Savage Shot[/skill][skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]Penetrating Attack[/skill][skill]Precision Shot[/skill]

Vilborn here, these tards have banned my acc rofl.

NamelessBeauty · Jan 29, 2008, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Hmm I think DPS ranger can work somehow.
[skill]Quick Shot[/skill]
[skill]Needling Shot[/skill]
[skill]Rapid Fire[/skill]
With these skills combine with dmg booster such as Brutal Weapon or Conjure and/or Winnowning will make a very nice DPS build. Anyone? Just noone ever try it I guess!

byteme! · Jan 29, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by Wyat Hawke

Well, why would you not want the optimal instead of sub-par? When something achieves something to an "lesser" extent, it is worse. You can't argue around that. And when it's worse, why shouldn't it be bad.

Do not roll a ranger for just DPS. You can roll a ranger for utility, interrupt, degen and whatnot, but just specifying in one single purpose makes a ranger bad. Rangers are the jack of all trades, you don't roll a bar full of just interrupts for the same reasons you don't run a bar with just DPS increasing skills. It's just not optimal, and thus worse off. Call it "bad" if you want.

If the OP wants his Ranger to interupt better he'll ask for it. If the OP wants better degen he'll ask for it. In this case, (says it CLEARLY in the title) he wants the most "optimal" (i used your word) DPS build for his Ranger. He did not say he wants to replace his Warrior. He is wielding a bow and has Ranger skills on his bar. He is clearly playing the Ranger the way it was meant to be played. Unless of course Anet added these so-called "sup-bar" skills to the Rangers lineup just to fool all of us into thinking we're Rangers.

IF EVERYONE RAN THE MOST OPTIMAL BUILDS WE MIGHT AS WELL DELETE 75% OF ALL SKILLS AVAILABLE BECAUSE SOME OF YOU PROS ARE TOO GOOD TO USE THEM. In high-end PvP I can totally understand that nothing but the best will help you succeed. But seeing elitists nick-picking through PvE skill bars is absolute fail. If you're as good as you think you are, you should be able to overcome such trivial things.

What if what the OP is doing doesn't require interrupting and degen doesn't work? Since trying to make a Ranger do DPS is "fail" I guess he's never gonna get the task done correct? What if the OP is just sick of watching over targets in "PvE" for the perfect time to interupt and he just wants to mindlessly mash his buttons for once. Can we the community help him with that? Most people don't treat GW as school or work with the constant studying and whatnot. This game could be so much bigger and better but unfortunately "elitists" dictate what "should" be used and what is fail far too often driving new players away because they can no longer play the way the wanted to play.

If I was told that I'd be playing my Ranger for 32 months with the same core of "optimized" skills I would not have bought GW in the first place. Give or take a few tweaks here and there depending on the situation but nonetheless it makes for a very boring game. It's because of people who DEFY these so-called, "optimal" builds that we come up with often ingenious ideas that were never thought of before simply because people thought what they had "was the best" and refuse to step outside the box.

OP wants help with DAMAGE nothing more and any attempt to steer it any other way is NOT OPTIMAL to his request. Can we help him do that or is that too much to ask for?

horseradish · Jan 29, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

The buffs to Sundering and Penetrating Attack allows for HUGE amounts of DPS.

I've seen [Town] use two rangers with those two skills along and Quick Shot and Expert Focus.

DPS out the ASS!!! holy crap!

.Loki · Jan 29, 2008, 08:02 AM // 08:02

[skill]needling shot[/skill][skill]Prepared Shot[/skill][skill]Penetrating Attack[/skill][skill]Sundering Attack[/skill][skill]Read the Wind[/skill]

replace needling with Sloth,Keen,Savage, w/e
what i use for dmg dealing ( which is fun )

3246251196 · Jan 29, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

I quite like the combination of Apply Poison (Poison causing 4 pips of degen) with Burning Arrow (Burning causing 7 pips of degen) causing an overall nice amount of degen. Then on top of that, I use an interrupt and some dmg attacks. I think I have a good damage build personally.

1: Favourable Winds
2: Apply Poison
3: Burning Arrow (E)
4: Triple Shot (Luxon Title Track)
5: Penetrating Attack
6: Distracting Shot
7: Whirling Defense
8: Troll Unguent

I also like the combination of Whirling Defense and Throw Dirt - but who does not ^ ^

NamelessBeauty · Jan 29, 2008, 10:31 PM // 22:31

You might want a res in your bar.

Note: Max degen = -10 health degen.