Curse

Patron_of_the_Wild · Nov 16, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45

since [Sloth Hunter's Shot] got somehwhat nerfed in PvP I like to run another variant of this build.

Frustrating Gas:
[Practiced Stance][Choking Gas][Frustration][Needling Shot][Distracting Shot][Lightning Reflexes][Throw Dirt][Resurrection Signet]

Attributes:

Expertise: 13
Marksmanship: 9
Wilderness Survival: 11
Illusion Magic: 8

Health: 495
Energy: 40 (use full radiant armor|"I have the power"|energy runes)

If you meet a monk without [Holy Veil] or other hex removal, he's most likely sentenced to death and eles anyway.
Just keep in mind that you play a support role only, so stay with your party and don't attack your foes alone. Also I often target their Mesmers first to check for [Visions of Regret][backfire][empathy][Diversion] and switch to their monk later.

This build sucks against Domination shut down mesmers (if you don't interrupt their hexes first) and Spiteful Spirit Necros, as well as foes who don't rely on spells, obviously. On the other hand Blindness, Blocking and Weakness are no problems.

Super Igor · Nov 17, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

thats pretty good. i might haveta test it out.

Chocking gas is outdated, very weak compared to other options, weak because interrupts that you cannot control and just hope that you auto-attack into a spell is usually doomed to fail at interupting anything > 2 second cast, yeah there is daze that is relying on similar method but hey, it not only makes every spell easily interruptable but also doubles the casting time making your odds much higher. So is you want to shut down casters consider this:

[build prof=r/me box][broad head arrow][epidemic][volley][savage shot][distracting shot][optional][optional][optional][/build]
- Standard bha epidemic, does pretty much the same job but much better cuz dazing an entire mob of casters and bashing them with volley is good laos triggers splinter...downsides is that it deals quite a poor damage compared to other options + you cannot apply daze as often as you can with [stunning strike] for example.

or this:

[build prof=r/p box][you move like a dwarf!][spear of fury][stunning strike][merciless spear][never rampage alone!][comfort animal][charm animal][optional][/build]
-Much more dps compared to bha, more spammable daze and deepwound + better surviveability thanks to higher armor level, some health regen and pet that soaks alot of damages.

If you want to just deal massive damage with a bow use something like this:

[build prof=r/w box][asuran scan][point blank shot][zojun's shot][distracting shot][ebon battle standard of honor][glass arrows][optional][optional][/build]
-Fill the two optional slots with [lightning reflexes] + [dwarven stability] or [flail] and [savage shot] depending on if you want some more blocking or one more interrupt, both ias options are hawt tbh.

or this:

[build prof=r/w box][asuran scan][triple shot][dual shot][needling shot][distracting shot][flail][ebon battle standard of honor][glass arrows][/build]
-This one is scary tbh, up to ~200 damage per arrow on 80 AL is scary, and you shoot 5 of them in very short periods of time, and if that doesnt kill the badies, needling shot em down!

or this:

[build prof=r/any box][asuran scan][keen arrow][hunter's shot][savage shot][distracting shot][read the wind][expert's dexterity][ebon battle standard of honor][/build]
-Permanent ias, huge critical rate are gewd, get someone with gtfe for better keen arrow spammage. PvE only skill are pretty optional too tbh if you hvent maxed the titles. Take [sloth hunter's shot] instead of [hunter's shot] if you want both are good.

gw_poster · Nov 17, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

super, like those builds...im trying to ignore the flamefest and just look at whats good....

i have been using similar and doing good damage with still having interrupt/daze which i think is on point with OP (dunno if OP was looking for pvp or pve though)

R/rt (2nd depend on what rez u want)
Flatbow (20/20, 15^50, +30, customized) - can use zealous if energy is problematic
Radiant/Attunements + Major Vigor

Marks 12+1+2
Expertise 12
Restoration 3

HP: 486 (or 526 can't remember atm), Energy: 37

[broad head arrow][distracting shot][point blank shot][lightning reflexes][asuran scan][Pain Inverter][finish him!][flesh of my flesh] (or rez of choice)

[Pain Inverter] good for big-damage bosses
[finish him!] well, to finish him

Patron_of_the_Wild · Nov 18, 2008, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Chocking gas is outdated, very weak compared to other options, weak because interrupts that you cannot control and just hope that you auto-attack into a spell is usually doomed to fail at interupting anything > 2 second cast, yeah there is daze that is relying on similar method but hey, it not only makes every spell easily interruptable but also doubles the casting time making your odds much higher. So is you want to shut down casters consider this:

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

As I said, problem with CG is that you cannot control what you interrupt, and odds of interrupting even 1 sec cast spells are low, daze completely outclasses cg and you are much better off with [Needling Shot] + [Glass Arrows], theres just no point using cg.

Ah well, not to offend you, but did you actually read what I posted? I clearly stated that the Choking/Frustrating Gas build is for PvP. Agreed in PvE BHA is better than CG, cause AI mobs can't easily deal with daze and it's easier to spread, but for humans playing PvP that's not that much of a problem than you might think. Btw, allow me to point out that you forgot to add [Read the Wind] or [Favorable Winds] to the BHA bar, which makes it only half as good, cause you'll most likely miss a lot with your BHA, especially in PvP, where monks and other casters kite a lot. Furthermore BHA can be blocked, be neutralized with blindness and daze can be removed, which all doesn't apply to Choking Gas. So far for CG being completely pointless. lol . Not to sound like teaching a lesson or anything, but I'd like to encourage you to recapitulate your comments for a moment before you actually post them. Thank you.

And btw, in most cases you just copied the builds that where already given in this thread. Thanks for summing it up, but that's pretty much all about it.

greets,

Patron_of_the_Wild

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Super Igor · Nov 18, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Patron_of_the_Wild

Ah well, not to offend you, but did you actually read what I posted? I clearly stated that the Choking/Frustrating Gas build is for PvP.

I have seen that you wrote it for pvp, and that only makes your build worse. First of all frustrating will get removed, you have no cover hex for it, any half decent monk would cope with the job. You cannot control what you interrupt, same issue that made old [incendiary arrows] a shit skill.
If you are looking for caster shutdown its daze all the way, no matter how you put it. It only requres one skill for same level of shutdown as opposed to wasting three slots for a similar effect and also trggers when your allies hit the target.

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Agreed in PvE BHA is better than CG, cause AI mobs can't easily deal with daze and it's easier to spread, but for humans playing PvP that's not that much of a problem than you might think.

Stop being bad, CG is out of meta for a reason. Also @ condition removal, ever heard of cover conditions? [apply poison] for example.

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Btw, allow me to point out that you forgot to add [Read the Wind] or [Favorable Winds] to the BHA bar, which makes it only half as good, cause you'll most likely miss a lot with your BHA, especially in PvP, where monks and other casters kite a lot.

I stated three optional slots for my bar, fit everything you want there but [read the wind] will get removed by volley, [favorable wind] wont effect the speed of the arrow and is ouclassed by options such as natural stride, troll, antidote signet ect.

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Furthermore BHA can be blocked, be neutralized with blindness and daze can be removed, which all doesn't apply to Choking Gas. So far for CG being completely pointless. lol . Not to sound like teaching a lesson or anything, but I'd like to encourage you to recapitulate your comments for a moment before you actually post them. Thank you.

My comments stay the same, daze can be removed yes, but it can also shutdown really well, something cg cant do. Daze can be applied by a single skill, cg needs you to use 2 slots for it as a minimum thus wasting your elite slot on [practiced stance], not worth it.
Your arguments are wrong, seriously, at time of proph cg was somewhat effective but now it is completely outclassed by other options and roles a ranger can take.
And, how the phuck can you talk about pvp runni ng a ranger with 490 hp and 40 energy? This alone suggests you have no idea.

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And btw, in most cases you just copied the builds that where already given in this thread. Thanks for summing it up, but that's pretty much all about it.

I havent copied anything, but these builds are pretty well known like any effective build ou there. Sorry, not a fan of creativity for the sake of it.

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