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Mystic_Rose · Jul 05, 2009, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Which one is the most efficient? I want to make a build surrounding one of the two elite skills. On a side note, I've also heard Melandru's Shot is also a great PvP elite skill.

banding colleague · Jul 05, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Well, both are efficient...but they have different purposes. Burning Arrow is good at single target damage. Incendiary Arrows is good at spreading conditions in conjunction with preparations.

Personally, I'd go with Incendiary Arrows. I ran around with Incendiary Arrows+Apply Poison+Sundering Weapon for a while when I got completely and utterly sick of seeing Barrage on my bar.

Tenebrae · Jul 05, 2009, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Burning for pvp , Incendiary for PvE .

Mad Lord of Milk · Jul 05, 2009, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Burning Arrow > Incendiary Arrows

Incendiary Arrows is junk.

banding colleague · Jul 05, 2009, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Incendiary Arrows isn't quite junk...at least not for pve. And I'm assuming that the OP is considering a pve build since he posted in the campfire.

I just think IA can be more useful in pve than BA can. If one were to consider the elites only, without any other skills coming into play, I would definitely take BA over IA. However, there are seven other spots on the skill bar to work with; and the rest of the team as well.

Ugh · Jul 05, 2009, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Generally, use BA for PvP and IA for PvE. But, IA can also be useful in AB.

And yea, Melandru's Shot is a great skill in PvP.

Chthon · Jul 05, 2009, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Degen is weak in PvE, so neither skill is useful for damage output. However, IA is useful as a multi-arrow skill that doesn't strip preps. Hint: IA+Ignite+EBSoH.

Mystic_Rose · Jul 06, 2009, 01:16 AM // 01:16

Well I'm planning on going the PvP route so I guess Burning Arrow is the best option from what has been said. Are there any must-have skills that should go a Burning Arrow Build?

Any suggestions for this build?

R/R

Expertise:12+1
Marksmanship:10+4
Wilderness Survival:9

Weapons:Poisonous Recurve Bow of Fortitude
Poisonous Flatbow of Fortitude

Burning Arrow [Elite]
Distracting Shot
Savage Shot
Whirling Defense
Apply Poison
Keen Arrow
Troll Unguent
Res

slipVaYnE · Jul 06, 2009, 01:27 AM // 01:27

That bar'd do fine although I'd change a few things out of personal opinion.

Whirling Defense -> Natural Stride
Troll Unguent -> Mending Touch
Keen Arrow-> Pin Down

That's something like I'd use in typical RA/TA/GvG if I had to take BA over Melshot(Which I wouldn't :P).

x sithis x · Jul 06, 2009, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by Mad Lord of Milk

Incendiary Arrows is junk.

AoE burning & can use a prep is a huge joke *sarcasm*

mistokibbles · Jul 06, 2009, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by Mystic_Rose

Marksmanship:10+4

Superior runes are a big no for PvP.
Attributes are fine, but bring a minor marksmanship rune.

Mad Lord of Milk · Jul 06, 2009, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by x sithis x

AoE burning & can use a prep is a huge joke *sarcasm*

I'd rather concentrate and maintain burning on a target rather than spamming it in short periods. I don't care if it's PvE or PvP - using Incendiary Arrows is like using Barrage. You won't be able to live with yourself because your build is OH SO LAME.

Burning Arrow > Incendiary Arrows

Tenebrae · Jul 06, 2009, 09:59 AM // 09:59

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Originally Posted by Mad Lord of Milk

I'd rather concentrate and maintain burning on a target rather than spamming it in short periods. I don't care if it's PvE or PvP - using Incendiary Arrows is like using Barrage. You won't be able to live with yourself because your build is OH SO LAME.

Burning Arrow > Incendiary Arrows

Yes because concentrate on burning ONE target that is going to die in 4.... 8 secs is really worth it. We dont care if you hate that skill ( of course is lame at PvP ) but its not like Barrage , keywords : adjacent , preparations. Also thinking that anyone who uses Incendiay is lame is also OH SO LAME.

Incendiary Arrows > Burning arrows @ pve .

Defqon2003 · Jul 06, 2009, 01:26 PM // 13:26

IA is not fun in pvp anymore ever since october update that reduced its spammability :F
though I still do run IA build in ra from time to time

SeraCombi · Jul 07, 2009, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by slipVaYnE

That bar'd do fine although I'd change a few things out of personal opinion.

Whirling Defense -> Natural Stride
Troll Unguent -> Mending Touch
Keen Arrow-> Pin Down

That's something like I'd use in typical RA/TA/GvG if I had to take BA over Melshot(Which I wouldn't :P).

Take this guy's advice.

Only thing I would add is Throw Dirt. ...and I'd probably keep Whirling, but I'm just old school and hate change.

MagmaRed · Jul 07, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

PvE = Incendiary as you have more places to encounter grouped enemies
PvP = Burning as you have less chance of facing grouped enemies

Both supply burning, and both can be used with preps. But whether you will be able to hit multiple enemies is the bigger issue, and IA doesn't supple +damage while BA does. If the burning duration is important, BA is also better. Lastly, depending on the purpose of the build, you may not want to invent a lot of attributes into Wilderness Survival, which would make IA less appealing.

avilia · Jul 08, 2009, 10:20 AM // 10:20

The problem with Incendiary Arrows is that you can't spam them. And the burning is really too low to be considered a real threat to your enemies (2 seconds unless you want to invest heavily in Wilderness Survival). Its only use is to serve as a platform for stuff like Splinter Weapon, Ignite Arrows, Conjure X and such. But when it comes to that, Barrage is just better because you can spam it. It may remove the preparations, but it's not like preparations are all that good.

Burning Arrow is good single-target damage, and is good in PvP, but doesn't really shine in PvE (unless maybe you're running with a Fevered Dreams hero).

So I'm gonna say both aren't very good. If you really want burning, I suggest going with Barrage, Conjure Flame and Mark of Rodgort.... or better yet, leave the burning to the professionals (meaning fire eles)

Tenebrae · Jul 08, 2009, 11:13 AM // 11:13

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Originally Posted by avilia

The problem with Incendiary Arrows is that you can't spam them. And the burning is really too low to be considered a real threat to your enemies (2 seconds unless you want to invest heavily in Wilderness Survival). Its only use is to serve as a platform for stuff like Splinter Weapon, Ignite Arrows, Conjure X and such. But when it comes to that, Barrage is just better because you can spam it. It may remove the preparations, but it's not like preparations are all that good.

Well you cant spam BA either and like i said before , mantain burning on a PvE target that is going to die in 3.....7 sec is pretty useless. 12 WS is not heavy imho. We are talking here about spreading conditions, Barrage is not allowed soz.

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Originally Posted by avilia

So I'm gonna say both aren't very good. If you really want burning, I suggest going with Barrage, Conjure Flame and Mark of Rodgort.... or better yet, leave the burning to the professionals (meaning fire eles)

Bad suggestion imho, Conjure has long recharge and can be removed , MoR is not suited for a Ranger at all but is good in a Fire ele bar that can be included in the group.

Anyway spreading burn is not the matter , is spreading conditions and with IA+Condt Prept+Asuran scan you can spread em on NEARBY range ( note this is VERY useful ), use a hex to trigger discord and have another 3-5 slots for another useful stuff just with 1 Att : W Survival .

avilia · Jul 08, 2009, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Anyway spreading burn is not the matter , is spreading conditions and with IA+Condt Prept+Asuran scan you can spread em on NEARBY range ( note this is VERY useful ), use a hex to trigger discord and have another 3-5 slots for another useful stuff just with 1 Att : W Survival .

Basically, you're wasting your elite slot so you can spread conditions to two nearby foes and you use Asuran Scan (which won't actually do anything because your damage sucks) as a hex to trigger Discord?

If it's about condition spreading, try [Fevered Dreams][Fragility][Poison Tip Signet][Hunter's Shot]["Finish Him!"]
This will spread conditions to ALL foes in IN THE AREA range. Fragility will do additional damage and act as a cover hex. You can add a preparation or add Volley for more AoE damage. It doesn't matter how fast the target dies. Everything in the area will suffer from Poison, Bleeding, Cracked Armor and Deepwound within seconds.

Tenebrae · Jul 08, 2009, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by avilia

Basically, you're wasting your elite slot so you can spread conditions to two nearby foes and you use Asuran Scan (which won't actually do anything because your damage sucks) as a hex to trigger Discord?

Because using Barrage is not wasting an elite slot when playing Discordway , right ( Fevered dreams is a waste too ). Damage sux ? lol dude , why is that ? i didnt say to run 0 Marksmanship and please read , i left 3...5 slots for ANYTHING you want ( except an elite ofc ).

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Originally Posted by avilia

If it's about condition spreading, try [Fevered Dreams][Fragility][Poison Tip Signet][Hunter's Shot]["Finish Him!"]
This will spread conditions to ALL foes in IN THE AREA range. Fragility will do additional damage and act as a cover hex. You can add a preparation or add Volley for more AoE damage. It doesn't matter how fast the target dies. Everything in the area will suffer from Poison, Bleeding, Cracked Armor and Deepwound within seconds.

My mistake , that discussion is on another thread . This one is about 2 Elite skills already mentioned and what you are suggesting uses none of them.

Point is : Damage and burning to 1 target or Little less damage and burning to 3 target less time ?. For pve second option is the best . Done thanks for the reply btw.