Curse

slimejocke · Jul 26, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Also let the monk cast his needy spells b4 you rh them otherwise he'll get interrupted ALOT.

Shadow-Hunter · Jul 26, 2006, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Asking the Monk to cast Blessed Aura on you wont help.. Blessed Aura works for Monk enchants, witch you dont have any of.

~Shadow

Bloodied Blade · Jul 26, 2006, 09:33 PM // 21:33

Reckless Haste shouldn't mess too much with your 55s energy management, some of us use Blessed Signet for an easy +9e. One important note for those who don't know yet- Cover Hexes don't always work initially on smite crawlers, it's far more effective to SV/AV your 55 partner to drain the smite crawlers' energy pools, then follow with ss.

Dark Tykane · Jul 26, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Good guide and detailed descriptions of each type of fight but I wouldn't call it complete theres a lot more things you can use. Of course you've covered pretty as far as you'll ever need if your monk stays alive.
Now we need a 55 monk guide for duo UW with more detailed descriptions than we have. On pulling, weapon sets, which nightmares are whose jobs to take care of, how many smites is the minimum for using bonneti's, etc.
Good job IMO though.

Xx Invictus xX · Jul 26, 2006, 10:07 PM // 22:07

could someone tell me how reckless haste could bother there energy?
I bring both desecrate enchantment and its brother. Sympathetic for 18 seconds with echo ss and two desecrate thingers. smites are dead super fast

And how does anyone know percentage of drop rates?

if u ask me smites are the only thing that drop ectos.

Aataxes are useless

Dark Tykane · Jul 26, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by Xx Invictus xX

could someone tell me how reckless haste could bother there energy?
I bring both desecrate enchantment and its brother. Sympathetic for 18 seconds with echo ss and two desecrate thingers. smites are dead super fast

And how does anyone know percentage of drop rates?

if u ask me smites are the only thing that drop ectos.

Aataxes are useless

Well its random just because your not getting drops from aatxes lately doesnt mean they are useless at all. I got 2 ectos off Aatxes in 2 runs that didnt go farther than the chamber. Horrible runs but i still got drops from Aatxes.
Reckless haste makes the foe miss and if its missing then the monks don't get energy from them hitting. With bonneti's up they dont get any energy at all because for some reason it considers the aatxe missing because of RH instead of the monk blocking with bonnettis.
Your SV doesnt need to be even close to how long you have it I run it at 13-14 seconds and that might still be only the long side. You put it on once and wait just a few seconds accordingly to the size of the smite group then you put SS on 2 smites and use the AoE cover hex. Dead so fast there is no time to use desecrate enchantment once and especially not twice.

squan · Jul 27, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by Dark Tykane

Reckless haste makes the foe miss and if its missing then the monks don't get energy from them hitting. With bonneti's up they dont get any energy at all because for some reason it considers the aatxe missing because of RH instead of the monk blocking with bonnettis.
Your SV doesnt need to be even close to how long you have it I run it at 13-14 seconds and that might still be only the long side. You put it on once and wait just a few seconds accordingly to the size of the smite group then you put SS on 2 smites and use the AoE cover hex. Dead so fast there is no time to use desecrate enchantment once and especially not twice.

hmmm the reason i use reckless haste is that the aatxes and smites attack faster, so more damage with SS. i use SV and AV at the same time on 1 smite. then you dont have to wait and cast echo/SS/ SS the moment you cast second SS wait 3 seconds and get your drops.

you are right about bonneti. if enemy miss you wont get energy. BUT, if you use your skills on the right way you will kill your enemy quick and monk have to use blessed signet 1 time and monk is ok with his energy. btw necro can bring BR.

and the droprates, i got that from www.guildwarswiki.com

Dark Tykane · Jul 27, 2006, 08:14 AM // 08:14

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Originally Posted by squan

hmmm the reason i use reckless haste is that the aatxes and smites attack faster, so more damage with SS. i use SV and AV at the same time on 1 smite. then you dont have to wait and cast echo/SS/ SS the moment you cast second SS wait 3 seconds and get your drops.

you are right about bonneti. if enemy miss you wont get energy. BUT, if you use your skills on the right way you will kill your enemy quick and monk have to use blessed signet 1 time and monk is ok with his energy. btw necro can bring BR.

and the droprates, i got that from www.guildwarswiki.com

Yes reckless haste works in both ways as a cover hex and to make the enemy take SS faster. You really don't have to use more than on visage though. I find it a waste of time and energy as I can kill a group of smites in less than the 13 seconds of SV that I use. I can see your point on using both when there is just one smite though. Of course fight just one smite has only happened to me when my monk didn't interrupt the fighting smites in time which is definately not often and when it does i just use RH wait for smite hex and roll with SS.

Dark Tykane · Jul 27, 2006, 08:23 AM // 08:23

I also find that any drop rate analysis is extremely inaccurate. No matter how many UW clearings you do to count the drop rate of ecto and compare it to any other drop it still isn't accurate. Its random. I don't think recieving 5 ectos in the first 3 Aatxe groups of UW is <2% do you? That has happened to me more than once and while its still not a huge percent compared to all of UW its definately a great percentage when you get an additional 2 off of the smites and you only do a smite run. Its random. Just because you have one persons averages based on one persons 100s of runs or how many it takes doesn't mean that its accurate and I refuse to believe it is.
I still dont see how it matters but sometimes I type things for no reason at all

squan · Jul 31, 2006, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Originally Posted by Dark Tykane

I also find that any drop rate analysis is extremely inaccurate. No matter how many UW clearings you do to count the drop rate of ecto and compare it to any other drop it still isn't accurate. Its random. I don't think recieving 5 ectos in the first 3 Aatxe groups of UW is <2% do you? That has happened to me more than once and while its still not a huge percent compared to all of UW its definately a great percentage when you get an additional 2 off of the smites and you only do a smite run. Its random. Just because you have one persons averages based on one persons 100s of runs or how many it takes doesn't mean that its accurate and I refuse to believe it is.
I still dont see how it matters but sometimes I type things for no reason at all

lol.
well i do not know if the rates of guildwiki are correct. in fact i dont care

but people do need to know that the drop rate can suck big time. cause like you said, there are some runs where ecto drops bigtime. but there are also runs where ecto hardly drops.
whats your ingame name, we should meet and kill smites. think we can clear smites in no time

bobrath · Jul 31, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by squan

i noticed many necro's in the game use a axe or sword with +20% enchants. they think SS also has the 20% bonus.

I do bring along a FFS of Enchanting (20%). I only use it when casting SV (or BR) on the monk. Otherwise, I'm running the wand. The first post in the topic has a great list of weaps to use and the reasoning behind each.

I'm not sure I understand why you bring both SV and AV along Squan. I realize that you're doubling up the energy loss on the smites, but its very rare that any smite is alive long enough to regen energy when a single SV ends - especially if you throw in a cover hex of RH. If you don't bring AV along, then you can expand your necro's effectivness in a number of ways. The easiest being Power Drain which will help against nightmares, coldfires, and dryders, but there are many more. I also sub out Revealed Hex/Inspired Hex for Blood ritual. Great for getting Rust off your monk, or other nastier hexes as you progress through the UW.

Matty Of WBB · Aug 06, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

SV/AV doubling loss? hehe i use this build alot an don't have any problems nearly every run i go on we clear the place 4 regen is enuff might be that your timing need's perfecting SV the monk as the smite group him ATB,ECHO,SS, then AV then SS easy no NRG loss there 4 me mind u i do have 54nrg what about u ? illusion magic on 9 15 sec,s each u work it out

makosi · Aug 06, 2006, 12:28 AM // 00:28

I don't like the OPs build one bit. This seems to work for my guildy extremely well:

Curses: 16
Illusion: 11
Soul Reaping 8 (i think)

Spiteful Spirit
Arcane Echo
Reckless Haste
Insidious Parasite
Sympathetic Visage
Blood Ritual
Desecrate Enchantments
Resurrection Sginet

Insidious is good if there happens to be a left over aatxe and is particularily effective against coldfires if the monk's lure isn't great.

Desecrate spikes Smites a bit and Reckless Haste acts a a cover hex aswell as a Spiteful Spirit Enhancement. Suffering is highly inefficent.

Smite Crawlers only require one SV to drain them and keep them drained for the duration of the SS.

20/20 Curses Staff, +5 Energy1 +1 curses or +20% enchants.

Edit: The necro should never wand/staff the Smite Crawlers, expecially SS'd ones. I see this far too often where the necro has decreased the hexed Smite's health so it dies first and the rest are still alive. Then he hexes another one so they use smite hex and make a total mess.

AuraofMana · Aug 06, 2006, 04:38 PM // 16:38

Why would you attack them in the first place, SoJ hurts =(

Shadow-Hunter · Aug 06, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Well some necros like to attack to do more dmg x.x .. Altho its bad if it chance the aggro.. Or get yourself KD interupted on SoJ x.x

~Shadow

matsif · Aug 06, 2006, 09:10 PM // 21:10

would death nova be of any use for this? once one aataxe or something dies it poisons the rest and then makes the enemy die faster right?

sry if already asked I am just now working on my first SS ever and dont know much about the UW foes.

Shadow-Hunter · Aug 07, 2006, 09:50 AM // 09:50

i only think that death Nova works on allys.. Also since you mainly have Curses, Illusion, soulreaping and a little blood as your attribs then investing in Death magic will spread it out too much... I would rather take something like Awaken the Blood instead if you want to kill a little faster.

~Shadow

Charlotte_Frost · Sep 01, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

thank you for this great updated SS/SV build but.. I'm having some problems with the Nightmares. I play the SS/SV necro and sometimes PuG monks that I go with usually dies at the start of the spawn point. Problem is most of the times during the first pull the monks get a group of ataax and usually 1 nightmare spawns up while they go arrgo. I'm unable to hit the nightmare since I'm down there and the view is obstructed from my wand and staff.

The monk usually blames me for not killing the nightmare while I do try with Powerdrain and Descrate Enchantment on the Nightmare has only a few health left that can be killed with 1 or 2 hits from wand.

All the monks I go with uses totem axes and during one of the fail attempts due to the Nightmare I asked if it was possible he equip a staff to help attack the Nightmare when SB is on. He called me a noob and said it was the necro's job to kill the nightmares always.

So I'm a bit confused. With good monks I go with everything goes smoothly but with PuG monks they usually blame me for not killing the nightmare fast enough and I from what I read here that SV should be used for Grasping Darkness and the Smites only? So I'm a bit confused and hope someone can shine a light on what the situation is. Thank you.

My skills that I use are:

echo
SS
Descrete Enchantments
Suffering
BP (I always ask the monks if they need me to bring it otherwise I sub it with Reckless Haste)
Power Drain
SV
Rez Sig.

Carinae · Sep 01, 2006, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by Charlotte_Frost

The monk usually blames me for not killing the nightmare while I do try with Powerdrain and Descrate Enchantment on the Nightmare has only a few health left that can be killed with 1 or 2 hits from wand.

It's both your jobs to kill the nightmare. Just get it killed, doesn't matter who kills it, just don't sit around waiting for the other guy to do it.

Especially so if two of them appear.

Avarre · Sep 01, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

In terms of the first aggro, where Aatxes are running around, it's the monks job. In other areas, it depends on who can reach it easier (almost always the monk).