Curse

szenhidrat2 · Aug 05, 2009, 07:26 PM // 19:26

Hi!

I started a N/Me about 6 month ago but i quit in march right after changin' my nec. My necro was a home-made minion master at first but i wanted to do something different. I read N/Me necros make great SS necs so i wanted to try it and i've read about this skill selection:

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After 2-3 days playing the SS necro i quit GW. Now i want to come back and need some help. As you can see i had only a few days to try the SS necro out. I got some help in this forum but i think the threads are already deleted. My problem is i can't use the build properly. When i bump into a group of monsters i cast arcane echo, then SS everything i can but it is not very effective and i got killed all the time. So i'm doing something very wrong(not to mention i use only 2 skills out of 8). Someone suggested back then that this skill selection is only good for "advanced" SS users not newbies.

So my questions are:
-Is there any skill-selections which is good for a newbie SS player.(an SS learning template)
-In which order/how do i use the skills properly.
-How do i choose the first "victim" of SS.
-What kind of heroes/henchmens should i take along?

I have the GW Complete Collection(so everything including M.O.X.).

Thanks for the help.

jiggles · Aug 05, 2009, 09:23 PM // 21:23

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10241271

Stickied at the top of this sub forum. Perfect guide for a newbie, bit of a long read so just skim the bolded bits for the bits you are intrested in. Or read all of it if you have 10mins to kill.

_Nihilist_ · Aug 05, 2009, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Right now the gwBBcode is down, and while posting the Template code is useful, it doesn't help those who don't have access to a program that can load the Template in order to see the skills (Guild Wars, GWFreaks, etc.)

If you can list your skills and attributes, that will help us answer your questions better.

Gennadios · Aug 05, 2009, 09:49 PM // 21:49

While SS is pretty useful pressure skill, it takes ages to really kill anything, my own necro usually concern himself with neutering the opponent's healing.

Good skills to carry:

Insidious Parasite + enfeebling blood for the melees. Not only does enfeebling blood affect multiple targets, but they'll do less damage than you steal /w the parasite

Weaken Armor + Defile Flesh. Enemies take more damage and heal less. Good to take down a high value target quickly.

SS+Parasitic bond: Parasitic bond is the best cover hex in the game. Most hex removals only clear out one hex at a time, parasitic bond recharges fast, heals you, and keeps SS from being stripped. You probably won't need it much in PvE though, AI tends to run counterhexes like ass and doesn't prioritize.

Other skills are up to you, but I usually go for rez, enchantment stripping, or anti-blocking skills.

szenhidrat2 · Aug 05, 2009, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

Right now the gwBBcode is down, and while posting the Template code is useful, it doesn't help those who don't have access to a program that can load the Template in order to see the skills (Guild Wars, GWFreaks, etc.)

If you can list your skills and attributes, that will help us answer your questions better.

Curses:12
Death Magic:3
Soul Reaping:12

Arcane Echo; Spiteful Spirit; Insidious Parasite; Reckless Haste; Enfeebling Blood; Suffering; Signet of Sorrow; Resurrection Signet;

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiggles

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10241271

Stickied at the top of this sub forum. Perfect guide for a newbie, bit of a long read so just skim the bolded bits for the bits you are intrested in. Or read all of it if you have 10mins to kill.

Thanks i've read it but id did not give any detail HOW TO USE the build.

x sithis x · Aug 05, 2009, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

Right now the gwBBcode is down, and while posting the Template code is useful, it doesn't help those who don't have access to a program that can load the Template in order to see the skills (Guild Wars, GWFreaks, etc.)

If you can list your skills and attributes, that will help us answer your questions better.

his skills are[Arcane Echo][Spiteful Spirit][Insidious Parasite][Reckless Haste][Enfeebling Blood][Suffering][Signet of Sorrow][Res sig]

ok & to OP ss is pretty much the best necro elite for pve, expecialy if u have agro control, cast ss on where u see a nice clump or on a monk to get the job done, but what i do is run the ap n/a d-way caller
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["You Move Like a Dwarf"][Assassins Promiss][Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support]["Finish Him"][Barbs][Rigor Mortis][Mark of Pain][Optional]

for the optional i bring 1 of these
-Rend Enchantments
-Expunge Enchantments (i use in nf on the monks with Spell Breaker)
-Mark of Death(33% less heal)
-Res Sig

_Nihilist_ · Aug 06, 2009, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Targets:

Insidious Parasite - enemy frontliners - make them pay for attacking your party
Enfeebling Blood - enemy frontliners - reduce their damage vs. your party
Reckless Haste - enemy frontliners/SS'd frontliner - make em miss, the faster they attack, the more damage SS pumps out
Spiteful Spirit - enemy in the middle of a group - get as much damage as possible
Suffering - get rid of it, it's worthless; Reckless is the only cover hex you'll need for SS
Signet of Sorrow - use it on anyone adjacent to a corpse; instant recharge damage spam

If you are having energy issues, drop Arcane Echo (with a 40/40 Curses set you won't need AE to copy SS, you'll have a good chance to half recharge and use your single copy of SS quickly rather than waste 15e to copy it)

Possibly bring Signet of Lost Souls - hit any enemy that is under 50% hp with it to give yourself a Heath+Energy boost

Rez Sig - use it if one of your party members dies

szenhidrat2 · Aug 06, 2009, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

Targets:

Insidious Parasite - enemy frontliners - make them pay for attacking your party
Enfeebling Blood - enemy frontliners - reduce their damage vs. your party
Reckless Haste - enemy frontliners/SS'd frontliner - make em miss, the faster they attack, the more damage SS pumps out
Spiteful Spirit - enemy in the middle of a group - get as much damage as possible
Suffering - get rid of it, it's worthless; Reckless is the only cover hex you'll need for SS
Signet of Sorrow - use it on anyone adjacent to a corpse; instant recharge damage spam

If you are having energy issues, drop Arcane Echo (with a 40/40 Curses set you won't need AE to copy SS, you'll have a good chance to half recharge and use your single copy of SS quickly rather than waste 15e to copy it)

Possibly bring Signet of Lost Souls - hit any enemy that is under 50% hp with it to give yourself a Heath+Energy boost

Rez Sig - use it if one of your party members dies

Thanks that's what i was looking for.

Oh wait one more question. If i can make without arcane echo with the right gear what's the benefit of playing a mesmer as a secondary. Because maybe i'll remake the necro and is there other possibility for a secondary class?

Ratson Itamar · Aug 06, 2009, 10:18 AM // 10:18

I think that you got all the help that you need concerning the build itself and the right way to utilize it.

However there're some points I would like to get across:

1. I had to start with this one. Guru doesn't delete old (relatively it's not even that old) threads so feel free to use search. a lot. To search for your old thread efficiently, go to Advanced Search and select from the list "Find Threads Started by User", enter your user name and click search.

2. An SS nuker doesn't require experience like you were told, actually it's quite the opposite. It's a newb friendly build, so don't be intimidated in any way.

3. It sounds to me like you're soloing, which is only good for farming and not to general play. If you're not trying to solo your way through then it's likely that you either take the initial aggro or that you don't have a correct armor setup. - Take a look at Moloch's necro guide for the info you need.

4. Regarding the henchmen question. You're a newb so plowing through hordes of enemies in incredible speed isn't of grave importance so I would suggest taking at least 2-3 healers with you. Something like one hero healer and two monk henchmen would seem suffice but if it isn't add one more hero healer, that's the limit. Anymore and it will be way over the top.

5. I'm not sure if you're aware of this so I will note it here. Since you have all the campaigns at your disposal, you have the access to the holy trinity of 3 necro heroes. They have great synergy with one another thanks to SR and moreso with you, another necro.

Hope I didn't bore you -too- much.

Edit: I see that you've just asked another question so I will answer it here. You don't have to recreate your necro. You will have to the ability to change secondary professions in no time. Once you unlock more secondaries it will be very easy to juggle between them as you just select them from a list. In order for me to give you more details I will need to know in which campaign you created your character.

Arghore · Aug 17, 2009, 10:45 PM // 22:45

And the use of SS with the Echo is mainly to use SS on multiple targets, ak. spam it as your main damage dealing spell.

1. find your target in a group
2. hit the echo, then SS the target
3. hit tab to the next target Echo him
4. hit tab
5. SS is recharged, hit SS on that target
6. hit tab, hit echo, hit SS on recharge
7. hit tab, hit the echo
8. hit tab, hit SS.

after this most of the group should have fought its way to death.. if you get your energy management right this should be posible.. i doubt this build will profide enough fun tho, and/or work in every situation. but it is the way Echo/SS build should work.

Mainy every 2e works with a necro, depeding on your playstyle and the build you like to run.

Swahnee · Aug 18, 2009, 07:19 AM // 07:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

Right now the gwBBcode is down, and while posting the Template code is useful, it doesn't help those who don't have access to a program that can load the Template in order to see the skills (Guild Wars, GWFreaks, etc.)

If you can list your skills and attributes, that will help us answer your questions better.

You can use this:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:PvXDecode

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Oh wait one more question. If i can make without arcane echo with the right gear what's the benefit of playing a mesmer as a secondary. Because maybe i'll remake the necro and is there other possibility for a secondary class?

If you want another curses build without SS, you can choose assassin as secondary prof, and throw Assassin's Promise in, plus Mark of Pain, Barbs, BUH! (alway on if you use Assassin's Promise correctly), Enfeebling Blood, Weaken Armor, Rip Enchantment, etc..This playstyle is a bit different than the SS one though.

If you want to stick with SS, probably mesmer is the best secondary you can choose IMHO..you can put some point into Domination and bring Empathy or Backfire for example.

EDIT- I suggested BUH! but i don't know if you own EotN. If yes, you can also bring Pain Inverter into your necro bar.

Xenomortis · Aug 18, 2009, 12:07 PM // 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by x sithis x

his skills are[Arcane Echo][Spiteful Spirit][Insidious Parasite][Reckless Haste][Enfeebling Blood][Suffering][Signet of Sorrow][Res sig]

Right, SS builds...

You need SS. Without it, it's not an SS build.
You don't really need Arcane Echo, a 40/40 is usually sufficient and other skills make things die quicker.
Insidious Parasite is nice as a little personal defense and single physical damage. Stick this on a charging warrior and forget about him.
Reckless Haste - brilliant skill, stick on incoming frontliners.
Enfeebling Blood - brilliant skill, same as above.
Suffering is a total waste of energy. You don't need the hex cover desperatly and RH is more useful in that regard.
Signet of Sorrow is really meh.
I wouldn't bother with Res Sig either.

My suggestions are this: Lose Arcane Echo, Suffering, Signet of Sorrow and Res Sig. Bring Barbs, Mark of Pain, Signet of Lost Souls and Necrosis.

Put SS on the middle of a group (physicals make better targets as they do things more often and quicker).
Put Insidious on any physical hitting you.
Reckless Haste on physical mobs.
Enfeebling Blood on physical mobs.
Necrosis on any target you want to help kill.
Barbs on any target being hit by physicals.
Call Mark of Pain on a target in the middle of a mob.
Use SoLS on any target that's being hit enough to be below 50%. You can go without it if you're careful on energy, but it can be tight if you're spamming your hexes on recharge.

Tenebrae · Aug 18, 2009, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Enfeebling blood + SS + MoP + EVA ( if you lack of phys except minions ) pwns almost anything. Barbs is the "kiss of death" for the rest of mob. Be sure to have exact timing and watch foes position farefully . Never use SS on main target , overlap hexes and so on .

-Will Farm For Gold- · Aug 20, 2009, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Yes I think it has been covered by some great replies but the secrets to SS are targeting different melee monsters and by utilizing other PvE skills like PI, YMLaD & Sin Support. Great PvE players always use these skills. BTW I have found if you bring Barbs and you have the choice on Henches... Grab a physical damage dealer. Like a warrior or ranger. That will help with Barbs damage. Thats just another tip.