Curse

glacialphoenix · Sep 04, 2008, 03:10 PM // 15:10

I personally think it's a good idea if the party is likely to screw up for whatever reason. If you have faith in your party, you don't have to bring it.

But it's generally not a good idea to rez midbattle, least of all if you're using Rebirth.

However, I have met PUGs who honestly think that only the monks should have a rez. Which is them being bad, and quite probably a sign that you should leave.

Snow Bunny · Sep 04, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Whoever says to bring a rez on a monk does not win Guild Wars.

So a party member dies. Do you really think that one of your two monks should sit for 6 seconds trying to rez someone?

Winterclaw · Sep 04, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

In PvP, no you shouldn't carry a res. In PvE, you might want to carry rebirth when pugging, but you only use it after a fight or if your party was forced to retreat.

Tyla · Sep 04, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

Bring a res scroll if you really need that res on monk.

Or if you're running a UA Monk, although that wouldn#t be a build I'd consider using.

moko · Sep 04, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

when i PvE, i usually got one last slot open anyways.

if i'd be pugging, i'd most likely take Rebirth.

sure, "if you're good people won't die in the first place " bla bla;

right, it's PuGs. there's also at least one other monk in my team that i'll have to rely on -- can barely handle it all on my own, can I? besides, not to mention that I'll be making my own mistakes.

if I cared enough, I'd probably stay alive if possible and rez them QQing people up.

Rezzing mid battle is obviously dumb, nobody does it and everyone knows how stupid it is, but really, relying on hardrezzes in the midline or rez signets in a PuG is silly, too.

what *SHOULD* be the case hardly ever *IS* the case.

and even if someone remains dead for this mob.. just kill them and rez the person when it's done. not like you won't be able to kill with one wammo down.

that's why I often carry a hardrez on my monk. :P

DarkNecrid · Sep 04, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39

lol rezzes on monk.

That's almost as good as Symbolic Strike on Warrior, except more fail since it takes 3x as long to do anything.

Tho yea rez + pug = good.

But who pugs anymore, anyways?

TEB Elite · Sep 04, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Always bring a res, I have learned the hard way to many times to be caught without one.

PVP is a different story.

snaek · Sep 04, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

...which turn out to be all either touch or half range, which makes the combination not only worthless, but harmfully so. If you are using touch or half range skills mid battle, you fail at monking. If you are using them after battle, there is -no- reason for HB in the first place.

well unless ur midline and backline r being nub and rushin into teh frontline...

jus cuz u have a res on ur bar, doesnt mean u have to play st00pid
u cant use it indiscriminately

obviously teh best choice is to have no res (or res scroll, as another pointed out)

but if u do bring a res, u have to be wise bout using it
jus as if one were to put a hard res on a hero monk, they disable it

i mean u could say [distracting shot] is very powerful
but if teh ranger is spamming it indiscriminately...then its useless

vandevere · Sep 04, 2008, 07:54 PM // 19:54

Same here. My Monk always brings a hard rez.

Oddly, I've been yelled at both ways, for carrying a rez and for not carrying a rez. It seems to me this is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of deals...

Vandevere

JoeKnowMo · Sep 04, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

If you're going to pug, take a rez or rez scrolls. I recommend [Unyielding Aura]. Despite the -1 energy pip, it's still one of the top 5 monk elites in pve, imho. It also allows you to rez mid-battle, which is pretty entertaining.

If you've got a high energy set for emergencies, you shouldn't run into energy problems either.

If you're with a good group, you shouldn't need a rez. A utility skill or small prot is a better choice.

Tyla · Sep 04, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEB Elite

Always bring a res, I have learned the hard way to many times to be caught without one.

Don't PuG, problem solved.

There isn't really much point in a res in PvE anyway now since we have res scrolls as far as I'm concerned. Yet, putting a res on a Monk kills my bar a bit and I'd rather have a midliner use Death Pact Signet on me or something. I don't PuG at all except for in Alliance Battles, but seriously, if you want a res on a Monk take a couple of res scrolls. I'd rather take an extra prot or something.

Turbobusa · Sep 04, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Just party wipe and res afterwards at worst.
It's not like 15DP will make you super vulnerable, HM or not.

Tyla · Sep 04, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

In an elite area it will. Regardless, I'm still sticking by my own point here.

Turbobusa · Sep 04, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

I can understand a PUG monk, but a PUG monk doing elite areas in a none HB group? No way. They're gonna bring res chant and red bar up.

Midline hard res is the best choice that said. There is no reason why your monk should bring a res while he's supposed to do something else (at least he should, since someone died). So I'll agree on DPS/FomF on a midliner

Pseudo-fail-rebels-going-against-bad-elitists will tell you to bring one but they fail to tell you that in in combat your monk won't res since he's busy and outside of combat ANYONE can do the same and bring a res instead of forcing the monk to spare a slot to compensate their failure.
Midliner/frontliner talking here.

But really, partywipe anywhere else. If you cant kill a thing to get rid of DP, you'll fail anyway.

Arlan · Sep 04, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Most posts / agree

PvP - never

PvE - you should not need to - always check the party and see how many hard resses are there. Make sure others have a few on them.

If you dont lke the look of the party for some reason then maybe throw one in - but i always resent 'loosing the slot - I have done on occasion and had to ress complete party to complete various missions/dungeons (but most occasions not used i think) - but i always resent the times I do carry a res in pugs.

gremlin · Sep 04, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEB Elite

Always bring a res, I have learned the hard way to many times to be caught without one.

PVP is a different story.

In pve my rules are everyone brings the ability to heal and everyone brings a res or a note from there mother giving a good reason why not.

Age · Sep 04, 2008, 11:49 PM // 23:49

For once Mokone and I agree on something as I take rebirth with me into most missions with PuGs.

There are those of us who can't do everything with our guild and alliance.Who wants to keep using heros and hench for each mission afterall it is an online game.

That is if Mokone is not being sarcastic.

Dean Harper · Sep 05, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44

Thanks for all the responses guys, I figured as much that I shouldn't really need one during PvE.

(Btw, kiting isnt that hard for a mesmer main

)

Burst Cancel · Sep 05, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

I love how people bring up elitism, when elitism has nothing to do with it.

Monks don't bring res because there are better places on the team to put hard rezes - namely, anywhere else. PuGs that don't understand this aren't worth playing with; but then, you knew that already.

-Lotus- · Sep 05, 2008, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbobusa

I can understand a PUG monk, but a PUG monk doing elite areas in a none HB group? No way. They're gonna bring res chant and red bar up.

fail.

only terrible monks use HB. period.