Curse

kupp · Jul 24, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

I recently started playing gw after my 4 month break, and created a new char to feel something new. I went with a mesmer because probably the profession i've ignored the most.

Well, for the couple of hours i'm playing it, i feel it kicks ass! Oddly enough it's a profession i rarely see both in pve or pvp, don't know why... Anw what i'd like to know is how good is a mesmer in pve. I'm talking about doing elite areas like fow, uw and doa, do mesmers ever get a place in any party, are they usefull or requested at all for this type of things? I'd just like to know if it's worth abbandoning my dervish and dedicating my time to the mesmer for those kind of things since i never saw one in an uw or fow clear.

Another thing i'd like to know, since i'm starting to build up my HoM, if i'd use my dervish for it, is it worth it in gw2? By that i mean, i heard someone in these foruns talking about who anet would cut some professions in gw2, if i build my HoM with, let's say my dervish, and that profession would be cut from gw2, do i still get all the bonus stuff the HoM is supposed to give me later on, are the rewards profession-bound?

Thanks!

Zahr Dalsk · Jul 24, 2008, 12:47 AM // 00:47

A mesmer can do PvE very well if played properly. However, don't expect a lot of group invites unless you're with a guild that understands the uses of mesmers and you know how to use the class in PvE.

Best way to get a group is to play as part of the Holy Trinity of Tank, Nuker, Healer (Warrior, Elementalist, Monk).

Nick Of Troy · Jul 24, 2008, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by kupp

Another thing i'd like to know, since i'm starting to build up my HoM, if i'd use my dervish for it, is it worth it in gw2? By that i mean, i heard someone in these foruns talking about who anet would cut some professions in gw2, if i build my HoM with, let's say my dervish, and that profession would be cut from gw2, do i still get all the bonus stuff the HoM is supposed to give me later on, are the rewards profession-bound?

Thanks!

It wont matter if your hero's profession ends up not included in GW2 because (as far as i know) you play as the descendant of said hero, not the hero him/herself. Also, Anet have pressed the fact that any benefits from the HoM will only be vanity items, nothing that could influence actual gameplay. So I'm pretty sure you'll be all right

Tyla · Jul 24, 2008, 01:10 AM // 01:10

A Mesmer is quite sub-par in comparrison to all the other professions in PvE, simply because enemies aren't good enough for single target shutdown. If they were more heavily structured and needed to be shut down, there is also BHA which makes PvE casters crumble.

If you like the playstyle, go do that. It is your choice to do so, although they are quite sub-par in PvE because of the overall structure of PvE.

Grunntar · Jul 24, 2008, 01:21 AM // 01:21

I really enjoy my mesmer as well, though sadly, she has never been widely accepted in high-end PVE areas. As Zahr suggests, if you find a group that understands what they are, and what they can do, no problem. Unfortunately, 96% of the total Guild Wars population doesn't understand anything but the button-mashing Warrior, or the use of any skills but Ursan.

No matter what character class I am playing, I don't go anywhere without Gwen in my party, playing a shutdown mesmer. I (personally) think that they are that important to a successful (and easy) adventure.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jul 24, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37

All bonuses from HoM are soon to be account based. So go ahead with your mes. Tyla has shown my stance on them.

unkleanone · Jul 24, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by Grunntar

No matter what character class I am playing, I don't go anywhere without Gwen in my party, playing a shutdown mesmer. I (personally) think that they are that important to a successful (and easy) adventure.

Too true i never leave home without her playing the same role.

rayd · Jul 24, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Best way to get a group is to play as part of the Holy Trinity of 3 ursan, 3 ursan, 2 healers

Wait... what?

fireflyry · Jul 24, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

My guild leaders main is a mesmer and she loves it.

I say go for it and enjoy but I would suggest or hope your in a good guild as pugging can be hard especially in high-end.

The problem and overall issue is'nt with the class, it's with poor PvE design in respects to a mesmers strengths as unfortunately killing mobs with pure DPS usually outshines anything a mesmer can offensively bring to the table and for the rare cases shutdown or interrupting is important most classes can do it just as well, if not better.

Heroes are a different story thanks to the godly AI in respects to interrupting.

In saying I agree playing with someone who knows them well is pretty cool.Sin/Mes condition spreading with my guild leader has been some of the most fun I've had in the game.

Good luck to you.

poasiods · Jul 24, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44

I see plenty of Mesmers in PvP... They're especially noticeable when I'm monking...

LifeInfusion · Jul 24, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by poasiods

I see plenty of Mesmers in PvP... They're especially noticeable when I'm monking...

welcome to april 2005

more on topic, if you aren't using a mesmer as a fake nuker have fun getting a group. A lot of people are to dense to figure out a mesmer makes boss kills that much easier through shutdown.

DarkSpirit · Jul 24, 2008, 04:30 AM // 04:30

I just can't relate as to why mesmers are suppose to be weaker in PvE, when I am having so much fun with mine, destroying everything in HM.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...1&postcount=39

upier · Jul 24, 2008, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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Originally Posted by fireflyry

I say go for it and enjoy but I would suggest or hope your in a good guild

This.
Everything works in PvE when you are in a good guild.

Have fun with your new guy!

kupp · Jul 24, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09

Well thanks Nick Of Troy and Kerwyn Nasilan, i got the HoM thing.

And thanks everyone else as well, you only confirmed what i was already thinking. Mesmers are pretty much unwanted in high end areas

i was developing this character mainly for those areas and i really wanted to use my mesmer, but i guess i'll just stick to my devish for that purpose and develop the mesmer for my personal thing.

Oh and sorry for creating the topic in the wrong section xP

kostolomac · Jul 24, 2008, 02:04 PM // 14:04

In terms of damage , mesmers can pull of some nice numbers , but it doesn't feel like I'm really playing a mesmer.

Normal pugs don't really like mesmers , I don't know why , maybe because people are stupid.

All it matters is that you have fun while playing.

Tyla · Jul 24, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

Normal pugs don't really like mesmers , I don't know why , maybe because people are stupid.

In terms of efficiency, I wouldn't go with one, but saying that I'm more of a Grab 'n' Go kinda guy. All professions can run Cry of Pain!

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All it matters is that you have fun while playing.

Truth.

DarkSpirit · Jul 24, 2008, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Tyla

All professions can run Cry of Pain!

Sure but you still need a mesmer hex for [[Cry of Pain]. Furthermore, primary or secondary, you need to have a mesmer there somewhere to use it.

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

In terms of damage , mesmers can pull of some nice numbers , but it doesn't feel like I'm really playing a mesmer.

PvE tends to emphasize nuking but you can always go as a hexer and some condition inflicting skills with a [[discord] team so they would do the nuking for you and you can feel like a "mesmer", whatever that means to you.

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Normal pugs don't really like mesmers , I don't know why , maybe because people are stupid.

Maybe it is because their definition of what a PvE "mesmer" is, has something to do with killing slowly and with low defenses, thus sucking in PvE? Needless to say, I never liked PUG's general definition of what a PvE "mesmer" is.

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All it matters is that you have fun while playing.

Agree.

Tyla · Jul 24, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Sure but you still need a mesmer hex for [[cry of pain]. Furthermore, primary or secondary, you need to have a mesmer there somewhere to use it.

Yes, and you happen to need to be Mesmer, secondary of primary to do so?

Grab a cheap Mesmer hex.
[mind wrack]

Or even, some sexy AoE degeneration.
[conjure whateverit'scalledfactionspveonlyskill] (A cookie to anyone who makes that out, I forgot the name)

*BOOM*

DarkSpirit · Jul 24, 2008, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Yes, and you happen to need to be Mesmer, secondary of primary to do so?

Grab a cheap Mesmer hex.
[mind wrack]

Or even, some sexy AoE degeneration.
[conjure whateverit'scalledfactionspveonlyskill] (A cookie to anyone who makes that out, I forgot the name)

*BOOM*

That is one extra useless skill that you carry just for CoP.

You may as well rely on your Discord H/H team for the nuking and just play whatever you want on your mesmer. I am quite soon that would still work in most PvE, even without bringing CoP.

Tyla · Jul 24, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Well I'm really talking about when it isn't with H/H. I mean, you can bring some form of shutdown while bringing skills not affected by attribution, and still play your role in terms of shutdown. Although it is quite foolish to go around PvE without CoP on a Mesmer, as it is one skill and you're bound to be taking advantage of the stupid AI with skills such as Empathy or Wastrel's Worry or whatever. Even running the PvE only Factions skill, you've got degeneration, decent AoE damage output that is echoable and have 6 slots to do whatever you want with.

With H/H you can do whatever the hell you want.