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upier · Aug 31, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

You must also hate the protection line of skills monks have.

PS will reduce EVERY hit to 10% of one's max HP.
An interrupt will only prevent ONE skill going off.

Prots replace a mesmer.

Cuilan · Aug 31, 2009, 07:48 PM // 19:48

That may be, but it still squashes the quoted persons flawed thinking. However, having a couple interrupts would be a nice addition to monks. Surely they'd appreciate the prevention of spikes that they may miss.

Btw, Prot Spirit only effects one person while the interrupt may interrupt AoE skills.

noneedforclevernames · Aug 31, 2009, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by RYCHER969

mesmer?? anyone still play these other than me? i've been a 4+ year mesmer addict. It is tougher than ever to get good group and play as true mesmer with vor nerf hurting us as it did. But same nerf 'retired' all the cop mesmers it seems. Quality players know/respect the class, so as it still takes awhile to get in a good team, the team that takes you is thankful they did. I love hearing ppl say 'wow, thanx, never did *blankity* with a mesmer b4'

so i m h o, same 'ole. mesmers= Rodney Dangerfield's of GW...no respect.

I have a GWAMM Mesmer, but I only play it off and on now that i finished my titles /=
I still can run some pretty decent VOR bars, as you can still take empathy for melee, get aoe degen with COP, and backfire on monks, with VOR on necro/eles.
But lately i've just been messing around with some new ideas that have been quite effective. /=

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If you know how to make good bars that are effective based on the foes you are against, as well as mix aoe and direct damage effectively Mesmer is probably the most powerful class in HM. Mesmers can both act as a protection class towards your party as well as execute large amounts of damage if the proper skill use timings are used. Once you master the Mesmer and create some good bars (There arn't any really good MESMER bars on this or PVX) Mesmer really isn't that difficult. You just have to play with it for few weeks and it should be pretty easy.

kostolomac · Aug 31, 2009, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

You must also hate the protection line of skills monks have.

I <3 prot spirit. Monk's protection spells are for damage migitation, mesmer distruption is to make sure that key skills don't go off, and frankly in pve every skill that goes through your defenses can deal serious damage. Instead of gambling with interrupts, protection is a much better method of keeping your party alive.

Cuilan · Aug 31, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

How is it gambling if the interrupter knows the skills of the enemies and has the ability to interrupt them?

Freedom III · Sep 01, 2009, 02:23 AM // 02:23

To those that say that mesmer interrupts are useless, think of how much easier fights are when your frontline isn't blind due to earthquake, or when your backline isn't constantly being interrupted by maelstrom. Yes, a dead mob is going to be better than a mob that got its aoe interrupted, but when certain skills can almost completely disable a third of your party (especially with heroes), it's sometimes important to have interrupts.

Of course, this doesn't mean that a mesmer has to do it...it can be done by frontline characters, or, of course, rangers.

P.S. some major bosses become much easier with a few well-placed interrupts.

snaek · Sep 01, 2009, 04:35 AM // 04:35

depends if we're talking about human parties or h/h. h/h like to sit in aoe dmg all day long, and prot henchies like to cast prot spirit after your team gets hit by the 300dmg spell. on the other hand, h/h knows perfectly well how to interrupt.

kostolomac · Sep 01, 2009, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

How is it gambling if the interrupter knows the skills of the enemies and has the ability to interrupt them?

Because heros with interrupt will interrupt the first thing they can, and with humans there is always a chance to screw up, especially when all the mobs cast spells 50% faster. That's why I prefer guilt and the other spell like guilt but with damage when dealing with mobs. Or better yet if you want to make sure the mob ain't gonna kill you you keep him on its ass till it dies or kill it.

Lakdav · Sep 01, 2009, 05:07 AM // 05:07

How about having a prot monk and a mesmer too? There is no freakin way that in a 8members party will say "we have an interrupter (insert mesmer or ranger here) so we dont need a protector". If any1 dares to say that, the 1 monk that was there alrdy will leave the group without a word.

However a good mesmer can save the party with 2 bad or simply overwhelmed monks in it. Nobody will know that it was you though.

BTW Some pve mobs have numerous enchantment removal, while the only ways to prevent a well placed mesmer interrupt is guilt, mistrust, Shadow form, and spellbreaker. 2 of them are quite rare elites in pve, the other 2 just proves the usefulness of mesmers. Add to this the mesmers own enchant removal abilities.

paranon · Sep 01, 2009, 09:54 AM // 09:54

Playing a mesmer in PvE is hard, yes, harder than most other things, but as others have said, mesmers can influence a fight in many ways. However, as a mesmer you have to bring the right build, there's no point turning up to chahbek village NM with a Power Block build on, and there's no point turning up to gate of pain HM with a hex spam build on, you need to look at what is infront of you and prepare for it, a well prepared mesmer will outperform most other midliners in terms of usefulness, but a badly prepared one is fairly useless.

Xenomortis · Sep 01, 2009, 10:22 AM // 10:22

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Originally Posted by snaek

depends if we're talking about human parties or h/h. h/h like to sit in aoe dmg all day long, and prot henchies like to cast prot spirit after your team gets hit by the 300dmg spell. on the other hand, h/h knows perfectly well how to interrupt.

Prot henchies are completely unreliable.
The big nukes tend to come only after a few hits and Vekk likes to stick Prot Spirit on anyone taking damage, so I tend not too suffer when H/Hing unless it gets really bad.
If the 300 nuke is the first thing that will hit me, then I micro PS on the important people.

Mesmers are largely unnecessary in a lot of PvE. The jobs they excel at are largely useless (E-Denial, single target caster punishment etc.). Their hard shutdown can often be replaced with softer shutdown brough by people who can provide stronger damage options.

It's true that a Mesmer may stop a few casters from hurting you too much, but a Warrior with PS on him can reduce those casters to corpses and corpses cannot hurt anyone.*

*Well, unless there's a necromancer about.

draxynnic · Sep 01, 2009, 11:26 AM // 11:26

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Prot henchies are completely unreliable.
The big nukes tend to come only after a few hits and Vekk likes to stick Prot Spirit on anyone taking damage, so I tend not too suffer when H/Hing unless it gets really bad.
If the 300 nuke is the first thing that will hit me, then I micro PS on the important people.

That means your important people don't get reamed. If that nuke gets interrupted, though, NO-ONE gets reamed.

Plus, interrupts can work on enemy healers as well, while Prot Spirit doesn't help at all against healers.

When you get down to it, the role of the Mesmer in high-end PvE is effectively a mix of armour-ignoring damage and light damage prevention, although sometimes enchantment removal and the like can be very useful.

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*Well, unless there's a necromancer about.

That's where your own necromancer should be turning them into walking corpses...

SumoutoriDreams · Sep 01, 2009, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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