Curse

A_Muppet · May 19, 2006, 01:09 PM // 13:09

...you always keep mentioing things like aura of displacement and the other teleport skills. The sad thing is, I stopped relying on those yonks ago (Hello? an enchant spell with all these mesmer's? You must be joking right?) and I've done perfectly fine without them. Discuss.

Silent Kitty · May 19, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20

Without it, you're just a warrior with a sucky armour. Nuff said.
If you continue that thought, your skill chains might not work either. To much chance to be interrupted, completely messing up your chain.

quickmonty · May 19, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31

Please enlighten us as to how you play assassin without the teleport skills.

GranDeWun · May 19, 2006, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Well, you can (try to) use caltrops to ensure an ability to get out...

Silent Kitty · May 19, 2006, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by GranDeWun

Well, you can (try to) use caltrops to ensure an ability to get out...

Yeah, give their mesmers something to laugh about

Xasew · May 19, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

AoD, chain of attacks and cancel AoD... Unless the Mesmer is targeting you when you use AoD, it's very unlikely that he'll get to remove it. And even then, 15 second recharge on AoD makes it pretty much too fast.

Silent Kitty · May 19, 2006, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by Xasew

AoD, chain of attacks and cancel AoD... Unless the Mesmer is targeting you when you use AoD, it's very unlikely that he'll get to remove it. And even then, 15 second recharge on AoD makes it pretty much too fast.

Isn't it so that when AoD gets removed/shattered, you simply teleport out again?

Kabale · May 19, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Yup. Not really much harm done if you ask me...

sinican · May 19, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

First off.. if Tanks would do their jobs AKA Agro and Call targets no assin would NEED shadow stepping to do their job...

I play and Asn without Shadowing... the point being if you are any bit of a good player to begin with you know how to strafe and keep from agro... unless of corse the above is not true...

One of the big problems i have right now is how all these people say how assassins suck because they think they are tanks... well that is only partially true... if the REAL tank isn't doing their job which there are way to many Wars that don't know how to tank/agro/call the assassin is dead meat to begin with..

how are we to keep from agro when the tank doesn't step up and how are we supposed to pick the correct targets when none are called...

I am tired of spending all this time getting into a group just to find that tanks and healers are the ones not doing their jobs...

I don't need a healer to support me, however having one that is on top keeps the tank playing strait... and man i wish i could smack some of these meathead who fail to call their targets... i cant very well play an asn and call the targets for everyone... the person who draws the agro and is supposed to be taking the heat needs to call targets

Trixz · May 19, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

AoD+Critical Eye+Critiacal defenses+Way of Perfection FTW

quickmonty · May 19, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by sinican

I play and Asn without Shadowing... the point being if you are any bit of a good player to begin with you know how to strafe and keep from agro... unless of corse the above is not true...

Now I'm confused. I thought the assassins job was to get to the back ranks to take out the squishies. How can you do that effectively trying to run and strafe, and avoid disturbing aggro? I would think that getting in (and out) as fast as possible was the goal, and strategy of the assassin and that using the teleport (shadowstep) skills was a vital part of this strategy.

A_Muppet · May 19, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Well, the thing is the AI (I'm pretty much a dedicated pvp player) goes for the spellscasters or, if the tanks have done their job, said tanks. That lets me pretty much just run in and deck the spellcasters. Then I go after the weakest warriors.

It's a tactic that seemed to work: I beat pretty much all the missions (only the last two and the the 'get the spear' one needed humies) with henchies without a single teleport skill. Hence my bemusement when I hear you all saying 'Omgz you need teleportz n00b!'

quickmonty · May 19, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by A_Muppet

Well, the thing is the AI (I'm pretty much a dedicated pvp player) goes for the spellscasters or, if the tanks have done their job, said tanks. That lets me pretty much just run in and deck the spellcasters. Then I go after the weakest warriors.

It's a tactic that seemed to work: I beat pretty much all the missions (only the last two and the the 'get the spear' one needed humies) with henchies without a single teleport skill. Hence my bemusement when I hear you all saying 'Omgz you need teleportz n00b!'

Funny. Didn't see anyone make a statement like that in this thread. As for me, I'm just asking questions and trying to learn. Constuctive feedback works wonders.

A_Muppet · May 19, 2006, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Yea, I'm being unfair... it's just a recurring theme is that you're an idiot if you're not bringing a teleportation skill along.

Shendaar · May 19, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Assassins do not need a teleport skill period. Not to say that it isn't useful or anything, but AoD can easily be replaced with a stance, which offers alot of protection while allowing you to stay at the front and beat the crap out of your target. Any damage that goes through a stance is very likely to ignore armor too, so you're pretty much as good as a warrior.

Silent Kitty · May 19, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Shendaar

Assassins do not need a teleport skill period. Not to say that it isn't useful or anything, but AoD can easily be replaced with a stance, which offers alot of protection while allowing you to stay at the front and beat the crap out of your target. Any damage that goes through a stance is very likely to ignore armor too, so you're pretty much as good as a warrior.

That solves a whole lot of time. Most of us already have a lvl20 warrior, in decent armour and good weapons. Why would they start all over on an assassin, if not for the fast tele in and out ability?

quickmonty · May 19, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48

So ..... staying at the front and beating the crap out of your target is the mission of the assassin? Why not just make a warrior?

(Beat me to it, Kitty

)

Trixz · May 19, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

You can stay in there longer with some critical skills for defense. But I still love AoD

Silent Kitty · May 19, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

So ..... staying at the front and beating the crap out of your target is the mission of the assassin? Why not just make a warrior?

(Beat me to it, Kitty

)

There is something cute about that 13 yo girl, pretenting to be a big fighter. At least she is not fat and ugly like a wammo.
Sure she takes a whole lote of damage, draining the healer completely out of energy, but more power to her, right?!

quickmonty · May 19, 2006, 05:06 PM // 17:06

There is another thread about "assassin hate". Seems like the major complaint on that thread is assassins who think they are warriors and try to stay up front and beat the crap out of their target. So it seems there are two schools of thought. One is to play the assassin like a gimpy warrior, and the other to use the assassins for targets of opportunity such as healers and casters in the rear (teleporting in and out). I'm going to stay with the second mentioned method for now. If I want to tank I'll play my warrior.