Curse

AZ DarkKnight · Feb 14, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Covah

yeah the AI was changed about a month ago. You can't pull just the monk first and then the other casters, a shame really.

Thanks for the reply... thought it was just me at first....oh well.. doesnt mater now anyway for me as its death levelling only from now on.. although my monk thats there has just hit lvl 10.....

Sword · Feb 14, 2007, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

... I messed up somewhat...

Ghost of the Hyksos is half way through level 7 .... and she accidentally completed that quest given out by Rurik to kill the Charr by the gate (was distracted by idiots in Ascalon on the local chat)...

I don't think I wanna go back and do the early stages again... but just how bad a problem is it?

Furthermore.... whats the most approved set of secondary class skills (assuming we cannot put any points into the necessary skills) for a primary Warrior?

one or two quests here and there is not a problem ... in the end it will only cost about 1 extra night of death leveling

best "secondary" to get for war is unquestionably ranger...you get a pet and troll ungent

SotiCoto · Feb 14, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Sword

one or two quests here and there is not a problem ... in the end it will only cost about 1 extra night of death leveling

best "secondary" to get for war is unquestionably ranger...you get a pet and troll ungent

As I was told then.

I guess I'll stick with it.... but I am a tad concerned.

Since I can't actually put any points into the controlling attribute for a secondary class.... the pet only ever does 1 damage... as far as I'm aware. I am planning on replacing the pet after I'm done with the whole process as it will indubitably end up "Hearty" ... and I'd like a Melandru's Stalker in post-searing.... But how much good is the pet if it only does 1 damage per attack and tends to aggravate my attempts at pulling individual charr out of their parties, or indeed pulling them over to respawn points? Plus Troll Ungeant is just 3 regen, lasts as long as it takes to recharge, but takes a good two seconds or so to activate...

I'm just wondering if those are better than any alternatives? I do tend to be sceptical of what I'm told quite often... unfortunately... (I had about similar luck playing with Mesmer skills, with the advantage that I could damage enemies from behind a wall using Conjure Phantasm, and Ether Feast vaguely worked... vaguely).

Anyway... I'll stick with Ranger for now since thats what I've been advised to do...

emoxcore · Feb 14, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

88% of the way to lvl 20

Sword · Feb 15, 2007, 07:11 AM // 07:11

my pet does more than 1 dmg and serves as a nice tank ... it was nice up till level 13 where I stopped using him cause he tended to cause aggro when I didnt want him to and by level 13 clearing charr were no problem ....anyway you can always change secondary professions if you want something else (yes in pre ..., just abadon the secondary quest and go get another one) .... but ranger is the best . i guess troll really isnt too useful on a war with heal sig

Ghalheon · Feb 15, 2007, 10:24 AM // 10:24

charr bosses now drop a green bag :

MrSlayer · Feb 15, 2007, 11:08 AM // 11:08

omg.

Since I dont speak the language you have setup there; does that contain 10 items that you can sell? or does it HOLD 10 items?

Can anyone tell me how easy it is to kill all the charr after DLing them up as a Monk Primary? What would make a good secondary?

SotiCoto · Feb 15, 2007, 11:33 AM // 11:33

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Originally Posted by Sword

my pet does more than 1 dmg and serves as a nice tank ... it was nice up till level 13 where I stopped using him cause he tended to cause aggro when I didnt want him to and by level 13 clearing charr were no problem ....anyway you can always change secondary professions if you want something else (yes in pre ..., just abadon the secondary quest and go get another one) .... but ranger is the best . i guess troll really isnt too useful on a war with heal sig

Well... yesterday and this morning its proved rather useful.

I was duo-teaming with a Necro... and basically set him doing most of the damage while I tanked. It was a matter of just getting bleeding on an enemy, then standing and taking the flak, spamming Healing Signet and Troll Ungeant as much as I could. I'm Level 8 nearly level 9 now...
I'm not sure if I could tank the same way with Mesmer secondary, though Necro's Life Siphon might help. In any case, I'm staying Ranger for now as the pet is getting a bit better... both as a distraction and at doing a bit of damage. Doesn't mean he doesn't spend most of his time dead though... as he tends to prevent all my attempts at luring Charr by charging them head-on and refusing to come back.
I called him "Your Mother" ... for the hell of it... (he used to be called A I D S).

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Originally Posted by Ghalheon

charr bosses now drop a green bag :

Sweet!

I'm gonna try and get Charr Bags for as many characters as possible. Major personal pride matter there!

King's Spectre · Feb 15, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Ghalheon

charr bosses now drop a green bag :

Nice! I suspect that there must be a Dev or two that have a soft spot for PRE. Time to do a general survey and see if a level 14 boss has popped up anywhere..

SotiCoto · Feb 15, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

I've decided I really don't like fighting Charr.... its a total pain in the arse.... and I can't pull the Charr anywhere so I don't know if the whole pancake-stacking trick in the other thread will even work.... >_<;; ....

taffette · Feb 16, 2007, 08:36 AM // 08:36

If you're a lower level it's really hard to fight them by yourself - I'm level 11 and although I can kill them by myself now because I'm a neccie it tends to take a while. I still find it easier to pair up with a guildie and go kill stuff even though the XP is halved. Also takes a lot of the boredom out of it

SotiCoto · Feb 16, 2007, 11:23 AM // 11:23

Oddly enough.... I find it easiest to pair up with an inexperienced PuG and go beat on them. Often enough the other person will die mid-combat, but not before giving me the chance to kill the Charr... hence netting me the XP exclusively (very selfish, I know).

More importantly though, as I noticed yesterday.... the more "experienced" folk are sometimes prone to throwing hissy fits and leaving if the other person won't do everything they say (especially when what they say doesn't make sense... e.g. "skip the first two groups" when every death means running past those groups without aggroing them... especially when they mean easy XP).... and furthermore... higher level characters often seem to act all elitist... I had a guy this morning refuse to kill Charr with me because I was level 9 and he wanted level 10+ characters (despite the fact that two level 7-9 characters can take down all the Charr in the area provided they know what they're doing).

As such... I'm sticking to less-experienced PuGs. Provided I'm the voice of authority and can tell them what to do at every stage (whether they're silly about it or not), at least they're generally enthusiastic.... aren't surprised when we die occasionally.... and will actually do something vaguely like what I need them to do (plus they don't complain if I get the kill after they're dead).

taffette · Feb 16, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

Heh, fair enough! This is the reason I'm sticking with guildies

Although if you see me hanging round pre and you're looking for someone to kill charr with, give me a yell. My char name may be Taff is Leet but I'm certainly not lol!

SotiCoto · Feb 16, 2007, 02:07 PM // 14:07

*Shrugs*

I don't have guildies. I'm a Ronin.

O'course I'm considering coughing up the 100 gold to make a guild of my own JUST to avoid being constantly bugged by fvcktards asking me to join their guild. Sometimes they'll even go so far as to invite me into a party JUST to ask me to join their Guild (rather than explore or mission or whatever).

Then again, I don't want to do that as I consider being a Ronin a mark of particular pride. I don't like the idea of having a stupid little tag on the end of my name.... but if I have to apply one just to escape those nagging guild-wh0res.... then sobeit.

Incidentally, nice character name, oh Wild-Fire ... [not talking about your Pre-Sear char]... ^_^

raven214 · Feb 17, 2007, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

http://www.presearing.co.nr/

I know there's already a pre-searing forum

Anyone have the link to that forum?

Stren · Feb 17, 2007, 08:08 AM // 08:08

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Oddly enough.... I find it easiest to pair up with an inexperienced PuG and go beat on them. Often enough the other person will die mid-combat, but not before giving me the chance to kill the Charr... hence netting me the XP exclusively (very selfish, I know).

More importantly though, as I noticed yesterday.... the more "experienced" folk are sometimes prone to throwing hissy fits and leaving if the other person won't do everything they say (especially when what they say doesn't make sense... e.g. "skip the first two groups" when every death means running past those groups without aggroing them... especially when they mean easy XP).... and furthermore... higher level characters often seem to act all elitist... I had a guy this morning refuse to kill Charr with me because I was level 9 and he wanted level 10+ characters (despite the fact that two level 7-9 characters can take down all the Charr in the area provided they know what they're doing).

As such... I'm sticking to less-experienced PuGs. Provided I'm the voice of authority and can tell them what to do at every stage (whether they're silly about it or not), at least they're generally enthusiastic.... aren't surprised when we die occasionally.... and will actually do something vaguely like what I need them to do (plus they don't complain if I get the kill after they're dead).

If by more experienced you mean level 14/15 then they only get experience from the bosses, so for them its a waste of time to kill the first two groups. You shouldnt have to run by them when you die since really.. with a level 14/15, you shouldn't be dieing. Either that or there just level 12s hungry for boss blood.. in which case there just silly. Just understand that its very frustrating when you either cant get anyone to let you out north, or cant get the other person to leave when you do. When your level 15 the difference between 16 exp per boss and 32 is big, sometimes I just agro charr, get 'em killed, forget about them. Plus dont you find it kind of ironic that you tell people what to do but complain when other people do the same?

and the whole level 10+ although silly, is understandable since you can get to level 9 by just killin level 3s, you know that a level 10 has atleast SOME charr hunting experience, and its a nice round number

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Oh and if anyone wants to charr hunt the names Your Just Jealous (I made it a long time ago, don't be offended o.-) and I'll hunt with anyone, provided we skip the first two groups and allow me all exp for bosses. (in return I'll give you any Charr bag that drops)

dragon_7777 · Feb 17, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

I have been thinking about the two titles L.suvivor an LdOa and how to get them both. ok in a team of 2 you get half the xp so if you have some one els to dlvl the moa bird's to lvl 20 then kill them couldn't you get it this way? I know it would take alot longer but you should get both of them

Lilanthe · Feb 17, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by dragon_7777

I have been thinking about the two titles L.suvivor an LdOa and how to get them both. ok in a team of 2 you get half the xp so if you have some one els to dlvl the moa bird's to lvl 20 then kill them couldn't you get it this way? I know it would take alot longer but you should get both of them

That must be the fifth time someone say this...

No... You can't get LDoA and Legendary Survivor. One cannot ressurect if his teamate is alive, thus, no deleveling this way.

Arnack · Feb 17, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Outstanding job. I'ma do it: Arnack the Leet.

The5thSeraph · Feb 17, 2007, 05:13 PM // 17:13

[Note: No prizes to anyone for guessing whose alternate this is.]

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Originally Posted by Stren

If by more experienced you mean level 14/15 then they only get experience from the bosses, so for them its a waste of time to kill the first two groups. You shouldnt have to run by them when you die since really.. with a level 14/15, you shouldn't be dieing. Either that or there just level 12s hungry for boss blood.. in which case there just silly.

Worse. They were the same level as me (as I recall around level 8 or 9 at the time). I just meant (by more experienced) that they'd played through Pre-Searing more than me (since all my other characters are Canthan).

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Just understand that its very frustrating when you either cant get anyone to let you out north, or cant get the other person to leave when you do. When your level 15 the difference between 16 exp per boss and 32 is big, sometimes I just agro charr, get 'em killed, forget about them. Plus dont you find it kind of ironic that you tell people what to do but complain when other people do the same?

I generally leave people higher than level 14 alone.... unless they're actually looking for someone to kill Charr WITH... in which case why aren't they doing it solo?
As for my complaining about other people ordering me about. I don't mind when it actually works and is sensible. If they're telling me to do things that are ultimately stupid (e.g. skipping on the easiest experience we'll get in the entire northlands, and continue carefully skipping it every single bloody time we'll die).... then I have issues with it.
Furthermore... this morning I ran into some folks who were absolutely set on doing things their own way.... One of them kept ignoring what I was doing... desperately trying to pull Charr from a really poor position... and it came to its worst point where I'd basically gone to kill some warrior-charr... he ran over to me, aggroing a huge group... got me killed... then just to rub salt in the wound he finished off the charr I'd been killing before dying himself. Oh... and the hair that broke the camel's back is that he got a fairly decent purple sword drop too (despite being a ranger).... and all I've had is bows (and I'm playing a warrior). He was sure he'd sell it for 3k, and wouldn't sell it to me for the far more reasonable price of 500g. ¬_¬ .... Bah... fvck 'em.
The OTHER guy I had to deal with would agree to attack a certain group... or even aggro them himself... then the moment I engaged, he'd run off and hide somewhere until I died.... At least he had the courtesy of saying something obscene about his sister as an excuse to leave after removing the patrols around the boss area.... so I was able to solo the bosses myself.

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and the whole level 10+ although silly, is understandable since you can get to level 9 by just killin level 3s, you know that a level 10 has atleast SOME charr hunting experience, and its a nice round number

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Thats pushing it a little. I mean by the way he was talking I'd imagine I've had more experience killing Charr myself than that guy. Level 14 he might have been, but apparently he has had other people kill the Charr for him to that level.

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Oh and if anyone wants to charr hunt the names Your Just Jealous (I made it a long time ago, don't be offended o.-) and I'll hunt with anyone, provided we skip the first two groups and allow me all exp for bosses. (in return I'll give you any Charr bag that drops)

Heh.... funny.
Count me out. I'm level 10 now... and though the rest still give XP, I pretty much just clear them out of the way to reach the bosses (and they really are better off killed than ran past, as running costs more time in the long-run).