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staindreality · Mar 24, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14

as far as i knwo i have agp but how you know if you can get pci. diff?

Mss Drizzt · Mar 24, 2005, 10:21 PM // 22:21

PCI is where your sound card goes and your network card is plugged in. It is usually white. AGP is on top of the PCI slots and ofsett. If your motherboard has AGP then that is the type of card that you should get.

Loviatar · Mar 24, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

i think he is refering to he new PCI-EXPRESS video cards as the old pci video cards without agp are a vanishing breed

lmxru · Mar 25, 2005, 04:36 PM // 16:36

As far as I know, Intel is the only one that supports PCI-Express atm... I could be wrong, havent checked in a while. I do know that PCI and AGP vcards arent that different. PCI tops AGP by a few fps (meaning 1-3 max).

Enix · Mar 26, 2005, 12:59 AM // 00:59

Please rephrase the question.

Loviatar · Mar 26, 2005, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by lmxru

As far as I know, Intel is the only one that supports PCI-Express atm... I could be wrong, havent checked in a while. I do know that PCI and AGP vcards arent that different. PCI tops AGP by a few fps (meaning 1-3 max).

do you mean PCI or PCI-EXPRESS on that

i think the nforce 4 mb supports PCI-EXPRESS for amd

edit

confirmed it does

Lews · Mar 26, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by lmxru

As far as I know, Intel is the only one that supports PCI-Express atm... I could be wrong, havent checked in a while. I do know that PCI and AGP vcards arent that different. PCI tops AGP by a few fps (meaning 1-3 max).

You are very wrong.

Amd can have around 5 or so PCI-Express, 2 of which are at x16 for video cards.

lmxru · Mar 28, 2005, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lews

You are very wrong.

Amd can have around 5 or so PCI-Express, 2 of which are at x16 for video cards.

Yeah I know im wrong, just checked with recent updates, well i do know that my comp wont support pci-express, i use amd (only reason i know this is because when i was trying to get 6600GT for pci-express, i remember I called for support, and they DID tell me pci-express isnt supported for amd, Newegg told me this). sorry for the wrong explanation.

Mss Drizzt · Mar 28, 2005, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by lmxru

Yeah I know im wrong, just checked with recent updates, well i do know that my comp wont support pci-express, i use amd (only reason i know this is because when i was trying to get 6600GT for pci-express, i remember I called for support, and they DID tell me pci-express isnt supported for amd, Newegg told me this). sorry for the wrong explanation.

http://www.tomshardware.com/motherbo...323/index.html

This board supports it. In duel mode too. So AMD does have support for PCIxpress.

Sin · Mar 31, 2005, 08:17 AM // 08:17

Staindreality you might try contacting the manufacturer, or looking in the manual for your computer there may be information there about it. If your computer is a name brand I am sure you can get help with this very quickly from their support. If you are asking to see what card interface is better I'd suggest checking with the company for what you have exactly as to if it's pci, agp, or pci-express as that would help. Right now too little information in your post to form an opinion.

cheers

PhineasToke · Apr 01, 2005, 04:47 AM // 04:47

I just read that it's simply cheaper to make pci express over agp (by a few pennies, but a few pennies is a lot today), and that the profile is easier to make in half-height than agp.

NEWater · Apr 01, 2005, 05:43 AM // 05:43

Newegg gives plently of wrong info.

Okay. If you currently use AGP, there's a 0 chance of you having PCI Express at all. PCI Express is totally new. If you want to use it, you'll have to buy a new motherboard for that. You'll also have to buy a new PCI-E video card for that. This 'special thing' about PCI-E for video cards is:

You can link up two video cards on the same motherboard with something called "SLI" for Nvidia, and something else with another name that's for ATI cards. Double the efficiency (okay. It's up to 60% extra), and double the cost. This method is nothing new. 3Dfx came up with this first for their Voodoo line donkey years ago, and Nvidia was the first to have this SLI thing because,

Nvidia bought 3Dfx over.

Luke Fatality · Apr 01, 2005, 07:21 AM // 07:21

i have a pci express and an amd go figure lol

Oh God can i be the norm for once

JjK · Apr 01, 2005, 07:26 AM // 07:26

wait,wait, so you guys are saying, get a PCI-EXPRESS over a geforce/ATI readon 256 or whatnot?

err nevermind, im just stupid..

Lansing Kai Don · Apr 01, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by JjK

wait,wait, so you guys are saying, get a PCI-EXPRESS over a geforce/ATI readon 256 or whatnot?

err nevermind, im just stupid..

First, IMXRU, it's not your fault... what you read was about the Intel Chipset... they made an announcement that they will no longer be manufacturing AGP, only PCI-X. That is easy to misconstrue.

Second, PCI-Express over AGP is not cheaper to manufacture, BUT replacing two seperate bus lines (PCI and AGP) with MUX bus IS cheaper. Basically, PCI-Express has twice as many connections but mass manufacturing it will be easier and cheaper when it replaces everything on the motherboard.

Third, there is currently no performance boost over AGP, they haven't used the entire bandwidth of AGP yet so how is PCI-Express (more bandwidth) going to have better performance? It doesn't (if someone finds different, tell me, so far I've seen insignificant gain/losses). Once again though, look to the future, when video cards exceed the limitations of AGP, we've already got a higher bandwidth bus, so their hoping ot make the transition easier by introducing it now.

Lansing Kai Don

P.S. To tell the difference between AGP and PCI-Express, is really simple (PCI- Express has one "row" of connections in a row along the card edge where, AGP has two connections, one slightly offset and raised above the first row). This shows the difference in implementation, where PCI-Express resembles a serial connection and AGP resembles a parallel.