Curse

Svenn · May 29, 2005, 12:48 PM // 12:48

I tell you what, I'll never go on Verizon. Can't believe they haven't done something about this by now. Maybe they want to run all you high-bandwidth gamers off.

SimonL · May 29, 2005, 01:14 PM // 13:14

I'm not convinced that this is entirely a problem with Verizon and let me show you why. Here is the important info from my ipconfig /all

Dhcp Enabled...........:No
IP Address...............:70.x.x.x
Subnet Mask............:255.255.255.255
Default Gateway.......:70.x.x.x

Something else is going on here. I've been getting IP addresses in the 70.x.x.x and 71.x.x.x range for the past 7 months now and this week is the first time I've had problems playing any game online. Everything else I do online works just fine. I run a teamspeak server which never gets cut-off, I play FPS games all night and never get disconnected. Verizon isn't the only one that needs to take a look at it's network setup.

termite · May 29, 2005, 01:53 PM // 13:53

It's a problem on Verizon's end. Look at dslreports forums for more proof.

Crescentius · May 29, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonL

I'm not convinced that this is entirely a problem with Verizon and let me show you why. Here is the important info from my ipconfig /all

Dhcp Enabled...........:No
IP Address...............:70.x.x.x
Subnet Mask............:255.255.255.255
Default Gateway.......:70.x.x.x

Something else is going on here. I've been getting IP addresses in the 70.x.x.x and 71.x.x.x range for the past 7 months now and this week is the first time I've had problems playing any game online. Everything else I do online works just fine. I run a teamspeak server which never gets cut-off, I play FPS games all night and never get disconnected. Verizon isn't the only one that needs to take a look at it's network setup.

I beleive some of us are getting a bit confused with which IP and DCHP we're talking about here. DCHP is ALWAYS enabled by your isp. When ipconfig says you have DCHP disabled, it is saying that your computer, not your ISP, has DCHP disabled. This will occur if you have a static IP adress on your computer. Also, the IP adress in ipconfig is the adress of your computer, which is different from the IP adress that your router/modem is assigned. (NOTE: if you have only one computer using the internet connection, and no router, your computer's IP will usually be the same as the router's IP)

Gargoyle · May 29, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Maybe you all can answer this. I to Have verizson DSL. I to disco from GW sometimes after 20 mins sometimes an hour. BUT I can play City of heros. Battlefield Poe or DC or counterstrike. for ever and never get disco. How can it be a lease issue when these other games work just fine? DO any of you have probies with other games? XP users see article on ms knowledge base #819950.

AntHill · May 29, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Can someone tell me what DCHP is >.< Ya this is total BS tho, by the way things are going I am already looking for a new ISP without even asking questions or looking for a fix. Hell, verizon DSL is still slower then other ISP's so why not get a new one, I personally just needed an excust (which I now have). My friend always told me how verizon sucks and they **** with your connection and screw with your speeds so their slow and you get ripped off. I dont need these problems, I hope you all get new ISP's and verizon sees just how "right" they are with the big loss they will suffer...

Gen0c1de · May 29, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Well, it seems like using hardware routers/NAT/Firewalls are what Verizon is trying to stop. I had a very similar problem with a smaller ISP here in canada in which I found a way around it.

There is a program call Smoothwall (http://www.smoothwall.org), if you have a older spare computer that you aren't using and willing to build one of these systems this will 100% fix your problem. It is based on a harden version of RedHat 6 and acts like a normal computer. You might want to read up on this option if you are unable to switch from verizon.

Spartan2 · May 29, 2005, 05:41 PM // 17:41

DHCP stands for Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. All this is, is a server that your connection runs through that assigns IP addresses. Example:
Customer A, B, C, and D are connecting through the same server.
The DHCP server is assigned 192.42.239.x : in this example, this network is very very small.
Customer A logs in first and gets IP 192.42.239.1 , B logs and get x.x.x.2 , C - x.x.x.3 etc
Whoever logs in first gets the first available IP. On networks, the range of addresses per octet goes from 0 to 255, but 0 is used for the network address and 255 is used for network emergency broadcasts. So, the number of host IP address is 1-254, so in this network, only 254 people can have access through it if it is a 1 to 1 ratio.
Now, say it is still 192.42.239.x network, and customers 1-254 log in, no problem; however, now there is something amiss: they sold more access to more than they could handle, so now they have 300 people trying to access the 254 IP addresses. If they drop from the normal 8 day lease to 15 min, they can keep it in a rotating access drop which could keep normal internet users being happy but not gamers.
So 1-254 log in and get 192.42.239.1 through .254 taken up. Customer 1 hits his 15 minute limit and drops, failing his lease reacquirement because Customer 255 has been given it, Customer 2 gets dropped because Customer 256 has been given it, etc...
If this is a little too much indepth, then sorry! I guess I learned a little too much in Cisco.

Talphi · May 29, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Well, the story I got on the 'migration' I've translated to this (i can't really swtich from Verizon...). Stop me if I'm wrong about this.

Routers take 1 Internet IP address from Verizon and applies it to all computers connected to the router. One house, one router, one IP address.

Hubs - the devices connected to them can each take their own IP address from verizon. So, one house, one hub, 5 Internet IP addresses.

This is what the first tech told me, but I don't know how true it is. But each time I called they mentioned 'migration'.

Final Fantazy · May 29, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38

I'll translate in leymen's terms exactly what Spartan2 said

Basically, Verizon being a greedy corporation sold more bandwith than they had available, to ensure most people could actually surf online, they fiddled around with lease times, most people who surf will not notice it at all, maybe a few pages will not load during the 15 minute drop period if there ip address isn't renewed in time, as Spartan2 correctly stated, it was given to someone else.

Doing so, gamers and high 'constant' bandwith users, will suffer greatly here since the ip renewal gap, is so tight most gamers will be dropped, whilst some others will renew and there game will continue, think of it as the new Verizon-Lottery-System, they gambled with your lease times, and will lose since almost all gamers will quit verizon, since I'm now 100% sure, this isn't a glitch, this isn't a temporary issue and this most definately isn't an issue with our computers, verizon istigated this 15 minute lease to make extra $$$ at our expense.

Also, what some people stated, that some other games will work and others will not. This is either two things, you're being lucky and your lease is being renewed, other the way the game handles loss of bandwith is better than Guild Wars, GW almost instantly drops the player at any sign of lost bandwith, whilst others like Everquest II give you a cool down period, if you're connection comes back up in the set time, you re-sync into the game and continue.

SOT · May 29, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spartan2

What I think they are doing is being lazy and not setting up an in-depth IP assignment and routing table for their massive network.

Exactly

Archean · May 29, 2005, 09:35 PM // 21:35

So anyone got any opinions on Earthlink DSL or Comcast...Im looking for a new service in the philadelphia area.

Miyamoto Tzu · May 29, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

I'm also looking for another ISP if anyone has any suggestions in the MA area. I'm real upset that Verizon is pulling this crap. Not only did they implement their changes in my area over a holiday weekend, they did it without informing their subscribers of the probability of disrupted service.

It's very funny (and I don't believe in coincidence) that they just had a big push to lock people into a full year contract at higher speeds and all of a sudden their service begins to suck. Sounds like a classic bait and switch scenario to me.

I'll bet their CEO's will get a big fat bonus this year though. Maybe Kenneth Leigh took over Verizon without anyone knowing?

Anyways, the threads in the Verizon forum at dslreports.com are very informative so check em out if you havn't already.

Tzu
Apocalypse Creed Mercenaries(ACME)
A PvE GW Guild

Final Fantazy · May 29, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04

I post on there a lot

more so lately since I can't play gw

until I get optimum online later this week.

SimonL · May 29, 2005, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crescentius

I beleive some of us are getting a bit confused with which IP and DCHP we're talking about here. DCHP is ALWAYS enabled by your isp. When ipconfig says you have DCHP disabled, it is saying that your computer, not your ISP, has DCHP disabled. This will occur if you have a static IP adress on your computer. Also, the IP adress in ipconfig is the adress of your computer, which is different from the IP adress that your router/modem is assigned. (NOTE: if you have only one computer using the internet connection, and no router, your computer's IP will usually be the same as the router's IP)

I believe some of us are getting a bit confused about assuming how much others might know. The readout I got was from my PC with my modem hooked directly to it. What you seem to be saying is that my modem is getting one IP address from the CO and then assigning a different one to my PC. Now, normally I do use a WRT54G router to connect. However, if DHCP is disable when not using the router, why would it be enabled when using it? Let me also say this, after a power outage last night it took me about an hour to get my router reconfigured and running again. After doing so, I was able to play GW for a couple hours without a single error. I'm not saying Verizon isn't at least partly to blame here, what I am saying is that maybe GW is also partly to blame for instantly kicking someone as soon as a packet gets lost.

Crescentius · May 29, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonL

The readout I got was from my PC with my modem hooked directly to it.

Exactly, that was what I had assumed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonL

What you seem to be saying is that my modem is getting one IP address from the CO and then assigning a different one to my PC.

No, not in the least. As I said at the end of my post, if you are running without a router, your PC and modem will have one, and only one, IP. (on certain types of modems the IP's may be different, but I won't get into that as it's rare)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonL

Now, normally I do use a WRT54G router to connect. However, if DHCP is disable when not using the router, why would it be enabled when using it?

The reason DHCP is "disabled" when you have no router connected is that there is no local DHCP server handing out IP's. In other words, there is no router present on your network handing out IP adresses to the networked computers. There is still a DCHP server handing your router/computer an IP but that server is not on your home network, so ipconfig isn't concerned with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonL

I'm not saying Verizon isn't at least partly to blame here, what I am saying is that maybe GW is also partly to blame for instantly kicking someone as soon as a packet gets lost.

Perhaps you misunderstand the problem? When you DCed, it's because you've lost your connection to the internet

And one inportant note: not trying to insult anyone's intelligence here, no offense or hard feelings intended!

On another (happier) note:

Just received this message from Guild Wars tech support: "We do know this is only temporary until they get there network adjusted."

Apparently they have contacted Verizon about this. Dunno if that means anything or not, but at least it's positive.

chained · May 29, 2005, 11:14 PM // 23:14

using that damn 327w westell
anyway i see a private dchp lease time in the settings.. can i cahnge this to less than verizons lease time?
will i still get disconnects?

Asmodeth · May 30, 2005, 01:41 AM // 01:41

I recently (last night) contacted Guild Wars support about this Err-7 crap. They directed me here. Damn i think Verizon sucks now. I bet if someone's life depended on it and they died it would change. But I guess we all just have to deal with more corporate squaller. Everyone email Verizon, even if they don't change at least we can annoy the sh*t out of them.

Stukov · May 30, 2005, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCamaro84z

Does anyone know if verizions new thing they have coming out fixs the problem...The if you want to call it the faster internet connect optic lines or whatever.?

Nope, I have FIOS. I get disconnected from GW every 15-30 mins it seems. Doesn't appear to be as predictable however. One time it took 2 minutes between disconnects, and others it can take 25. I also don't have this problem playing most other games (HL, HL2, ...WoW)

Though, when playing HL I did have problems where I got disconnected about 3 times within 30 mins. However, it wasn't completely disconnected. I was kicked off mIRC, and my connection to the server in-game dropped, but I was still on Ventrilo talking, and I could see several servers in my server browser for the game, though 90% of them were not responding. Was like I had no route to most of them.

EDIT: Just wanted to update. I'm looking at my router logs, and it seems that its not leasing the ip every 15 mins. However, I've not looked at my logs while I play GW...going to try that now, see if it does start doing it.

Stukov · May 30, 2005, 01:45 AM // 01:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by chained

using that damn 327w westell
anyway i see a private dchp lease time in the settings.. can i cahnge this to less than verizons lease time?
will i still get disconnects?

Just saw this post. I have mine set to a week, and it claims that my renewal is May 31st. Then again, I don't have the frequency of problems that some people do...so it might be worth a try.