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freejet · Jun 08, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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What graphic card should i buy invidia or ATI and wich card. Dont have the very much money (350 Euro) i just whant a good card so i can play very dood GW.

Algren Cole · Jun 08, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by freejet

What graphic card should i buy invidia or ATI and wich card. Dont have the very much money (350 Euro) i just whant a good card so i can play very dood GW.

isn't 350 Euro roughly 430-something American Dollars???

Principa Discordia · Jun 08, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

If you're looking for the best value graphics card (or "more bang for the buck"), you can get an Nvidia Geforce 6600GT for between €170 and €200. It will run Guild Wars, Half Life 2, and most other games in maximum detail in high resolutions (1280x1024, 1600x1200, and beyond apparently).

You could also get one of the last generation cards. It's roughly €340 for a cheap 6800GT or X800Pro, but they wouldn't offer much increase in performance in current games anyway over a 6600GT.

Edit: As for the Nvidia vs. ATI issue, I can honestly say right now without bias or prejudice, that the only ATI card currently on the market to beat Nvidia cards is the Radeon X850XT-PE. Unfortunately, that's almost €500 at the moment. Stick with Nvidia until current cards drop in price.

AW Trespasser · Jun 08, 2005, 05:07 PM // 17:07

The one thing ati handles better than nVidia is anti- aliasing. Pound for pound, all things being ewqual such as memory and clock speed, nVidia 'tends' to outperform ati.
except when it comes to anti-aliasing. GW has such well done gfx that anti-aliasing can be turned off, and you would need a magnifying glass or a 50 inch monitor to see any difference between on/off.
So, if you go with an nVidia card, turn anti-aliasing off.

Note: None of the above is scientific fact, merely the observations gathered from a large group of opinions in from power users in AW.

Principa Discordia · Jun 08, 2005, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by AW Trespasser

The one thing ati handles better than nVidia is anti- aliasing. Pound for pound, all things being ewqual such as memory and clock speed, nVidia 'tends' to outperform ati.
except when it comes to anti-aliasing. GW has such well done gfx that anti-aliasing can be turned off, and you would need a magnifying glass or a 50 inch monitor to see any difference between on/off.
So, if you go with an nVidia card, turn anti-aliasing off.

Sorry, but this is only half correct. Antialiasing looks better on ATI cards in this game, yes, but only marginally. This is because Guild Wars is an ATI GITG (Get In The Game) title.

Look at the antialiasing in an Nvidia TWIMTBP (The Way It's Meant To Be Played) title and you'll say the opposite, but again, the difference is marginal. Telling him to "turn off AA on Nvidia" is absurd, as it still looks so damn good.

Either way, the very slight difference in antialiasing quality is not enough to justify the difference in performance. The X850 XT PE is the only ATI X-Series card to outperform Nvidia Geforce6 series cards, and even then it's because the X850 XT PE doesn't even have an Nvidia counterpart and costs over €500, far outside the opening poster's budget.

Simply put, the best card for his money is either a 6600GT or 6800GT, depending on how much he's willing to spend. Period. This is a non-biased and non-prejudgemental piece of advice. The 6600GT costs far less than his budget, the 6800GT costs around his budget, and both far out-perform their ATI counterparts (the ATI Radeon X700 Pro and X800 Pro respectively.)

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Originally Posted by AW Trespasser

Note: None of the above is scientific fact, merely the observations gathered from a large group of opinions in from power users in AW.

Note: The above (above the quote

) is scientific fact, as proven in many (many) benchmarks and tests, and the personal unbiased experiences of myself, who has used almost all the Radeon X*** and Geforce6 graphics cards at one time or another.

Algren Cole · Jun 08, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Sorry, but this is only half correct. Antialiasing looks better on ATI cards in this game, yes, but only marginally. This is because Guild Wars is an ATI GITG (Get In The Game) title.

Look at the antialiasing in an Nvidia TWIMTBP (The Way It's Meant To Be Played) title and you'll say the opposite, but again, the difference is marginal. Telling him to "turn off AA on Nvidia" is absurd, as it still looks so damn good.

Either way, the very slight difference in antialiasing quality is not enough to justify the difference in performance. The X850 XT PE is the only ATI X-Series card to outperform Nvidia Geforce6 series cards, and even then it's because the X850 XT PE doesn't even have an Nvidia counterpart and costs over €500, far outside the opening poster's budget.

Simply put, the best card for his money is either a 6600GT or 6800GT, depending on how much he's willing to spend. Period. This is a non-biased and non-prejudgemental piece of advice. The 6600GT costs far less than his budget, the 6800GT costs around his budget, and both far out-perform their ATI counterparts (the ATI Radeon X700 Pro and X800 Pro respectively.)

Note: The above (above the quote

) is scientific fact, as proven in many (many) benchmarks and tests, and the personal unbiased experiences of myself, who has used almost all the Radeon X*** and Geforce6 graphics cards at one time or another.

don't joke with these kids. nVidia cards are better than ATI cards....and always have been.

p.s. even on my 5800GT OC there is no difference between AA on and off....he can turn it off and not lose any quality at all. the difference between AA on and AA off means I can run at 1600x1200 instead of 1024x768...

P.S. if my conversion was correct on the dollar amounts you have about 430 american dollars to spend???

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143025

purchase that card. it'll make you wet yourself

Principa Discordia · Jun 08, 2005, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

don't joke with these kids. nVidia cards are better than ATI cards....and always have been.

Nah, I love both ATI and Nvidia equally. I just know that the Nvidia Geforce 6 series outperforms the ATI Radeon X*** series by far, and for better value for money.

ATI is only the better solution when you get down into the budget cards, I'd choose a Radeon 9*** over a GeforceFX any day of the week.

PS. I use a Geforce 6600GT in this system and run Guild Wars in 1280x960 with 4x AA and 8x AF (forced). Looks perfect. The card can handle 1600x1200 with 4x AA and 8x AF but the buttons and text look way too small for me to cope with.

PPS. To the original poster: The card Algren Cole suggested (BFG Nvidia Geforce 6800GT) is probably the best card in your price range, and is a damn fine card, but consider that you could probably get the BFG Nvidia Geforce 6600GT for a lot less and get the same performance in many games.

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jun 08, 2005, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Nah, I love both ATI and Nvidia equally. I just know that the Nvidia Geforce 6 series outperforms the ATI Radeon X*** series by far, and for better value for money.

ATI is only the better solution when you get down into the budget cards, I'd choose a Radeon 9*** over a GeforceFX any day of the week.

PS. I use a Geforce 6600GT in this system and run Guild Wars in 1280x960 with 4x AA and 8x AF (forced). Looks perfect. The card can handle 1600x1200 with 4x AA and 8x AF but the buttons and text look way too small for me to cope with.

PPS. To the original poster: The card Algren Cole suggested (BFG Nvidia Geforce 6800GT) is probably the best card in your price range, and is a damn fine card, but consider that you could probably get the BFG Nvidia Geforce 6600GT for a lot less and get the same performance in many games.

Let me tell you about the BFG 6600gt! After some uber noob stupidity on my part. I wiped the old drivers booted the new ones and this card ROCKS.

Running at 553mhz on chip and 1010mhz memory and performance 3D and it never gets hotter than 78.

That's running guild wars at 1280x1024 with max visuals. Oh my gosd what a card. Counterstrike source runs 1280x1024 at 88.9 FPS.
Not to sound like a fanboy but for the money $220 on newegg. You cant get a better factory overclocked card with a real lifetime warranty.

Principa Discordia · Jun 08, 2005, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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Originally Posted by Tyil Thunder Arrow

Let me tell you about the BFG 6600gt! After some uber noob stupidity on my part. I wiped the old drivers booted the new ones and this card ROCKS.

Running at 553mhz on chip and 1010mhz memory and performance 3D and it never gets hotter than 78.

That's running guild wars at 1280x1024 with max visuals. Oh my gosd what a card. Counterstrike source runs 1280x1024 at 88.9 FPS.
Not to sound like a fanboy but for the money $220 on newegg. You cant get a better factory overclocked card with a real lifetime warranty.

You forgot to mention that you actually downgraded from a 6800. That alone makes a bold statement about the power of the dark si... I mean, the 6600GT.

And I forgot to mention that I pull almost 8500 in 3DMark03 with stock cooling and only a slight overclock, higher than quite a number of 6800 users.

Don't mistake me to mean the 6800GT though, the GT models are always quite a lot more powerful than the vanilla models, but a 6600GT being better than a vanilla 6800 is something I never expected when I bought it.

Algren Cole · Jun 08, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Nah, I love both ATI and Nvidia equally. I just know that the Nvidia Geforce 6 series outperforms the ATI Radeon X*** series by far, and for better value for money.

ATI is only the better solution when you get down into the budget cards, I'd choose a Radeon 9*** over a GeforceFX any day of the week.

PS. I use a Geforce 6600GT in this system and run Guild Wars in 1280x960 with 4x AA and 8x AF (forced). Looks perfect. The card can handle 1600x1200 with 4x AA and 8x AF but the buttons and text look way too small for me to cope with.

PPS. To the original poster: The card Algren Cole suggested (BFG Nvidia Geforce 6800GT) is probably the best card in your price range, and is a damn fine card, but consider that you could probably get the BFG Nvidia Geforce 6600GT for a lot less and get the same performance in many games.

he said he had the money...if it was me I'd get a 6600GT...hell im still using a 5800GT and love it. I used to use MSI and ASUS cards solely....I bought this BFG 5800GT to replace my ATI Radeon 9200 cuz it was a piece of crap. The 5800GT cost me 100 bucks and it's an amazing card for what I need. I'll definately be buying another BFG card.

EcPercy · Jun 08, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

There should not be an ATI vs. Nvidia debate here. I recently picked up a BFG 6600GT OC. The only reason I went with Nvidia is because their Linux drivers are a lot better than ATI.

I have to say that the 6600GT OC is a good card, but my other system has a ATI 9800 Pro. I have owned 2 9800 Pro's, a 9000 Pro, 7500, and the ATI Radeon 64MB card. I recently gave my friend the original Radeon 64MB card. My 7500 is in my FreeBSD server and the 9000 pro just got taken out of my other computer to be replaced by the 9800 pro when I upgraded my system to the 6600GT OC. My father in law has the other 9800 Pro.

The choice is up to you. The 6600GT OC is the best "bang for your buck" card. Nothing wrong with either company though if you ask me.

Algren Cole · Jun 08, 2005, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by EcPercy

There should not be an ATI vs. Nvidia debate here. I recently picked up a BFG 6600GT OC. The only reason I went with Nvidia is because their Linux drivers are a lot better than ATI.

I have to say that the 6600GT OC is a good card, but my other system has a ATI 9800 Pro. I have owned 2 9800 Pro's, a 9000 Pro, 7500, and the ATI Radeon 64MB card. I recently gave my friend the original Radeon 64MB card. My 7500 is in my FreeBSD server and the 9000 pro just got taken out of my other computer to be replaced by the 9800 pro when I upgraded my system to the 6600GT OC. My father in law has the other 9800 Pro.

The choice is up to you. The 6600GT OC is the best "bang for your buck" card. Nothing wrong with either company though if you ask me.

ATI's drivers are notoriously bad. I haven't used Windows in years so I don't know if they've gotten any better for that OS...but the linux community refuses to support ATI.

Principa Discordia · Jun 08, 2005, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by EcPercy

The choice is up to you. The 6600GT OC is the best "bang for your buck" card. Nothing wrong with either company though if you ask me.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with either company, both ATI and Nvidia are amazing companies who are making revolutionary changes in graphics almost every year, and I buy cards by both companies, so I cannot be called a fanboy. However, the fact remains, that when it comes to newer graphics cards (Geforce 6*** / Radeon X***) Nvidia simply make the superior card.

For the price range he has, I would say that the best graphics card he can buy for the money would be the Geforce 6800GT.
Standard Leadtek 256mB Geforce 6800GT = €340
Pre-Overclocked BFG 256mB Geforce 6800GT = €400

However, if he wishes to save a little money and still get excellent performance, he has the Geforce 6600GT as a secondary option.
Standard Leadtek 128mB Geforce 6600GT = €200
Pre-Overclocked BFG 128mB Geforce 6600GT = €240

The options are pretty much limitless.

Pyro Master · Jun 08, 2005, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by AW Trespasser

The one thing ati handles better than nVidia is anti- aliasing. Pound for pound, all things being ewqual such as memory and clock speed, nVidia 'tends' to outperform ati.
except when it comes to anti-aliasing. GW has such well done gfx that anti-aliasing can be turned off, and you would need a magnifying glass or a 50 inch monitor to see any difference between on/off.
So, if you go with an nVidia card, turn anti-aliasing off.

Note: None of the above is scientific fact, merely the observations gathered from a large group of opinions in from power users in AW.

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What is anti-aliasing?

Principa Discordia · Jun 08, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Pyro Master

What is anti-aliasing?

Antialiasing is a technique used by a graphics processor to create the illusion that the jaggies you see on screen around the outside of an object become smooth. It makes games look softer and more realistic, rather than blocky/jaggy.

Bezerker · Jun 08, 2005, 10:35 PM // 22:35

ATI pwns Nvidia imo, every single card ive had from Nvidia did not work as well as a ATI card, it gives sharper grafs, and better anti-alailising. You may disagree, but in my personal experience ati is better then nvidia.

Its not the size of the hammer that counts, its how you wield it

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(and btw im having a ati radeon 9700 at 1280*1024 85 hrtz everything max including anti-alaising and it runs smooth)

ElRey · Jun 08, 2005, 10:48 PM // 22:48

which cards did you have from Nvidia and what were the mem of the card? AGP or PCI?

Golgotha · Jun 08, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

don't joke with these kids. nVidia cards are better than ATI cards....and always have been.

So, what happened during those 9700 days? Exactly. They leap frog each other, and it only means that us, the consumers, win in the end. The whole "who has better AA or AF" is complete nonsense and only fuels fanboy fires. I own both an ATI GPU (9800 Pro) and an Nvidia (6800GT) and the image quality difference is nonexistant. I can post up screenshots from both and we can test these theories if you don't believe that they're as equal as equal can get. The only difference in the AA between the two is actually the rotational grid and which side of an object receives the most of the AA.

The best bang for the buck on the market is definitely a 6800GT. For just playing Guild Wars, I'd possibly go with a 6600GT for now, then you can upgrade as soon as the refresh occurs (ATI's r520 and Nvidia's G70), find out which is the better card - or see the higher cards' price drop - and not lose that much money in the outcome.

Kalrakhi · Jun 08, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

You forgot to mention that you actually downgraded from a 6800. That alone makes a bold statement about the power of the dark si... I mean, the 6600GT.

And I forgot to mention that I pull almost 8500 in 3DMark03 with stock cooling and only a slight overclock, higher than quite a number of 6800 users.

Don't mistake me to mean the 6800GT though, the GT models are always quite a lot more powerful than the vanilla models, but a 6600GT being better than a vanilla 6800 is something I never expected when I bought it.

I crack out 12577 in 3dMark03 and thats with the official drivers so I reckon I could get better with a 75.10 or whatever the latest one is.

All on stock cooling.

Wiredzero · Jun 08, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Speaking from experience, I've owned both of these products:

e-VGA GeForce 6800GT (256MB GDDR3)
and
ATi Radeon X800 Pro (256MB GDDR3)

They're both supposed to be cards of the same rank. And while I did enjoy the 6800GT...I'll be honest when I say it's a 'piece' by comparison to the X800 Pro.

I'd only had the 6800GT 3 months when the card's life was up. It literally cooked itself. No overclocking...and with 6 casefans in the case, air circulation isn't a problem. They're notoriously hot, even at idle temperatures. Anyway...I took the card back to the store, being that I'd kept the receipt and the box. They offered to exchange it for another card that worked of the same model. Since I'd had rather bad luck with that card...I wasn't exactly ready to get another POS...only to have to replace it again 3 months down the road. Since the "store credit" applied...and the X800Pro was the same price...I gave ATi a shot.

Was an immediate improvement over the 6800GT. And until nVidia pulls their heads from their rear ends...I won't buy another one of their cards.

Everyone's got their opinion. Mine would have to be ATi at the moment. It's just plainly better made. (I mean FFS, the ATi Logo is on the Guild Wars box...which card do YOU think Guild Wars is probably optimized for?)

-Wired.