Curse

Judas Hawksriff · Jun 22, 2005, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by davidmor

5 switches and stuck in the wrong territory....

Absolutly true - I was about to say the same thing myself, that it should be an even number... ~but you got their first~

crazy diamond · Jun 22, 2005, 04:13 PM // 16:13

What I think is hilarious is how many typos and grammatical errors those e-mail responses have.

momo2oo2 · Jun 22, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by davidmor

Did anyone stop to think about the importance of using the number 5 in max. amount of switches. By using an odd number, if a player is switching between two territories they are automatically assured that they will not end up at their starting territory if they use up their switches like the OP did.

Eur to Amer.
Amer to Eur.
Eur to Amer.
Amer to Eur.
Eur to Amer.

With an even number you dont assure you are in your territory:

Eur to Amer.
Amer to Kor.
Kor to Amer.
Amer to Kor.
Kor to Eur.
Eur to Amer. / Kor.

The chances are the same, If he didn't read the 5 times he wont read them 4, 6 or 80

Night · Jun 22, 2005, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Diplo

Since when do you have to shut down an entire database to execute an UPDATE SQL statment?

Reread my post please. Heck just reread the 1 section of the post that you picked out. Please tell me because my page displays this "Chances are they would have to shut down the whole database server to implement the corrections to your mistake" . I am not seeing that they have to so apparently my browser is broken so I apologize for the misscommunication.

Now if you would go back read the first portion of an issue of my experience with my telephony database/network and read about the potential issues with dataspike and the way the changes may replicate across the network.
No, generally you shouldn't have to shut down the whole database to an SQL update on a small DB but in my experience, whenever any change is done to a production server/database it is taken down to avoid any problems especially on one that is as large as the one GW has. 1 ounce of prevention is worth 12 hours of rebooting and listening to phone calls from people whose application froze while they were doing their grocery list.

aphex twin · Jun 22, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by momo2oo2

With an even number you dont assure you are in your territory:

Eur to Amer.
Amer to Kor.
Kor to Amer.
Amer to Kor.
Kor to Eur.
Eur to Amer. / Kor.

The chances are the same, If he didn't read the 5 times he wont read them 4, 6 or 80

you cant change to korea

Dirkiess · Jun 22, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Ok, reading all this head bashing going on, I can only say that we are now past the point where, "The Words Were Right In Front Of Your Face" attititude and it's time to move on to the bigger picture.

He made a mistake, and there is no mistaking that. He has admitted to that mistake, and there is no changing that.

What I would like to point out is this.

I know they have put in this 5 attempts and then you're locked to the last Territory you enter because of Favour of the Gods and the abuse that would get with people switching back and forth. I totally agree to why A-Net did that.

However, I don't see an issue with bringing in a feature whereby they limit the amount of time you are allowed to do it in 1 month. Lets say you can only move once per Month. This would stop the abuse that would occur, would give you a flavour of the other server for a time and have the ability to switch back and forth on a less regular basis.

Another option could possibly be this.
There are two locales that you can choose.

One is your primary and this can not be altered after a set number of times. Just in case you were European and the Euro servers kicked off big time and you wanted to get to know your Euro Neighbours more, you would have the chance to try both America and European servers. You then finally choose the server you wish to stay on for FotG and that would be that.

The Secondary would be the one that allows you to move freely between servers but you would not be able to use the Favour of the Gods, but you could play with other people across the globe, get to know your neighbours and do quests and such, just not enter the areas that use FotG.

Personally, I like my first option as it's a lot less complicated to understand and would be a lot less troublesome to impliment.

So, instead of all this head bashing , bullying, fighting, act like grown ups and try and come up with a solution that may well come in handy one day when playing this game in the future, as I wouldn't be surprised if for some reason, someone else makes a mistake, and then decides they have had enough of the server they ended up in, or some other stupid mistake that someone in this very thread has made a big booboo and is one of those giving grief to others.

Just remember, things can happen to everyone and remember your actions here. As it could well be you next time that is getting a grilling and bullying for being stupid.

I know for one, there is a lot of whining going on and that would make me want to go back to the European Servers for good. At least that way I couldn't understand most of what they said, so it wouldn't bother me at all.
The reason I don't, is I have a guild in the American Servers with mates from other games. We come from different parts of the globe and it's setup there.

It's about time people start to come up with solutions instead of fighting all the time.

It's very easy to get into a fight. It's not hard and doesn't take much brain power, and just a few words to kick it off.

However, being creative and thoughtful is a lot harder and takes a lot more brains than some of you Peeps are showing right now.

Just my 2 cents, even though in my country it would be 2 pennies.

EternalTempest · Jun 23, 2005, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Dirkiess

This was the first time I had heard about this 5 times and thats your lot.

I had a few weekends on the Beta and then they brought in the Release. I had changed 2 times to begin with. I was originally in America, then I went back to Europe as that is where I am from, then went back to America, as that was where most of the English speaking players were.

I still have my 5 choices, so this option has obviously come in with some recent changes. I don't ever remember it being mentioned in a game update, but I may have missed it.

How does this option sound.

They will let you change the server you are located in, but you can only do it once. You then have to wait 2 months, before they allow you to do it again.

This way, as EternalTempest says above, you can't abuse the Favour of the Gods, but it gives you a choice to try out the different servers from time to time, and see if there is any improvement in how many people are playing there.

All I can say is, if more and more people keep flipping back and forth between Euro and American servers, we will see the American Servers getting more full, and the European servers being next to empty and useless and would make the Favour of the Gods and PvP between these two camps, pretty useless.

Just my thoughts on this issue.

I agree that is a much better idea in fact I would drop this suggestion in the more main forums that Arena Net Employee's read about changes to the game / feed back to patches.

They may of thought about this as a time delay but opted for permanent to slow down a potential server load balancing issues down the road, but it makes more sense to me from a players point of view to not permanent lock on the server if you choose to switch.

With locking after 5 they can at least count on x number of accounts are not going to keep potentially switching servers if you had a flux system.

No matter what it is possible to have load balancing issue but at the rate of response to feedback on the game is unlike I've ever seen in a game before and have not doubt would find a way to fix it.

I would still put in a double are your sure prompt on the last server change with and secondary confirmation prompt (even to the extent of typing in confirmation code).

I work in text support and there are a lot of cases where its misunderstanding based on a lot of factors. Having a double confirmation prompt would cause more people to realize if they didn’t which in turn; cause less issues with no longer can play with friends, which is less bad press about Guild Wars regardless on how it happened.

Andy_M · Jun 23, 2005, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Wow, are these boards getting more hostile or what ?

davidmor · Jun 23, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by momo2oo2

With an even number you dont assure you are in your territory:

Eur to Amer.
Amer to Kor.
Kor to Amer.
Amer to Kor.
Kor to Eur.
Eur to Amer. / Kor.

The chances are the same, If he didn't read the 5 times he wont read them 4, 6 or 80

I don't think you can go to Korea, but my original post said if you were switching back and forth between two territories. I doubt that there are many players that would switch between three territories. Of course, there are no guarantees that he would have ended up stuck in the right place if he switched between three territories.

I do agree with you that if he didn't read it the first 5 times, I doubt that he would have read it the 4th or 6th time. However, the chances are much better that he at least would have gotten 'stuck' in his home territory if it was an even number. As a matter of fact, if he simply switched between 2 territories, it is guaranteed that he would be 'stuck' in his starting territory.

momo2oo2 · Jun 24, 2005, 07:55 AM // 07:55

Ok, ok, never tried to switch servers, I'm happy in Europe, my fault

Then agree, the number should be even then, so you can always stuck in your territory. But even so, I bet someone would comply because he/she is stuck in HIS territory when he/she wanted to stuck in the OTHER territory

The OP should have read the text, I think its big enough! On the other hand, be stuck in a server where you have no friends is a pain in the *** so they should change the number to 4 or 6 (there are more possibilities where someone want to stay in his territory than in the other, i think)

Zerian Black · Jun 24, 2005, 09:48 AM // 09:48

So i've read quite a bit of this thread but not all of it and a question comes to mind, yes i realize that there was the big writing telling him that he couldn't switch back again on his last time, but...why do they care? Why is there a limited number of times in the first place? Who cares if they switch back and forth all day? Certainly not me

Dirkiess · Jun 24, 2005, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Zerian Black

...why do they care? Why is there a limited number of times in the first place? Who cares if they switch back and forth all day?

Read a little more of this thread and you will find the answer to those questions.

Zerian Black · Jun 24, 2005, 09:56 AM // 09:56

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Originally Posted by Dirkiess

Read a little more of this thread and you will find the answer to those questions.

No thanks, probably something to do with the countries and their guilds, which doesn't make sense to me anyway because our guild is from all over the world........sooo....how exactly do we win a point for a certain country?

*note that i've yet to do pvp so i probably dont know how it works

momo2oo2 · Jun 24, 2005, 10:44 AM // 10:44

You enter PvP and "defend" a continent. You never noticed the chat window and read something like "x guild won the Hall of Heroes, and gets the favor of the gods for Europe" ?

So, if your guild is "all over the world" you must stay together in a Continent to be able to enter the Hall of Heroes PvP battles.

The point in being only 5 continent changes is... well, if you wont read, then I wont tell

...ok, sometimes read a whole thread (and more ones like this with a *bit* of flaming is a pain, so I'll explain. If there were no restrictions, a player could change continent to whichever one has the favor, getting access to Fissure of Woe and the Underworld.

Dirkiess · Jun 24, 2005, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by Zerian Black

No thanks, probably something to do with the countries and their guilds, which doesn't make sense to me anyway because our guild is from all over the world........sooo....how exactly do we win a point for a certain country?

*note that i've yet to do pvp so i probably dont know how it works

Well, all I can say is, two totally pointless posts that doesn't help with any of the issues being discussed here.

Why not save the space and don't comment again unless you really have something worth contributing.

ElRey · Jun 24, 2005, 11:57 AM // 11:57

This was a battle for no reason. Some mod should lock this.

Exar · Jun 24, 2005, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Blame Canada!

Theus · Jun 24, 2005, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Zerian Black

So i've read quite a bit of this thread but not all of it and a question comes to mind, yes i realize that there was the big writing telling him that he couldn't switch back again on his last time, but...why do they care? Why is there a limited number of times in the first place? Who cares if they switch back and forth all day? Certainly not me

Fissure and Underworld.

When your country doesnt have Favor..just simply move to another one.

Next.

Diplo · Jun 25, 2005, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by Night

No, generally you shouldn't have to shut down the whole database to an SQL update on a small DB but in my experience, whenever any change is done to a production server/database it is taken down to avoid any problems especially on one that is as large as the one GW has

You don't have to shut-down a large DB either. You only need to shut-down a database if you are changing the database schema, not changing the contens of a particular tuple.

Zerian Black · Jun 25, 2005, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by Theus

Fissure and Underworld.

When your country doesnt have Favor..just simply move to another one.

Next.

Okay, that's the answer i was looking for, I've never heard of Fissure or Underworld but aparently you can only access these places while your country has favor of the gods, i have no idea whats there but now it makes sense, thanks for the help

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Originally Posted by Dirkiess

Well, all I can say is, two totally pointless posts that doesn't help with any of the issues being discussed here.

Why not save the space and don't comment again unless you really have something worth contributing.

.....while this wasn't an answer i was looking for, i had questions, you sir are just an asshole.