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Chev of Hardass · Nov 09, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

I just ordered a 6800 Vanilla AGP video card and I have been told that I should run dual PSUs to get the max out of it. I found a nice little article on how to do this. I have two power supples: a 400W and a 250W.

Anyone have any experiance with this? How much differance is this going to make?

I am planning on unlocking the four pipes, and overclocking the card by a modest amount.

Techie · Nov 09, 2005, 09:12 PM // 21:12

You do not need two PSU's for any card unless you want one to do the cooling/lighting and the other one to control the motherboard and main components.

400+ Watts would be good, with an amp rating of 24A+ I would say. I have an Aspire 520W PSU with 34A @ 12V and it powers the following:

AMD 4000+
7800GT
1GB OCZ Premier Value
2x 74GB Raptors
4 Fans

So I don't quite think you need all of that.

EternalTempest · Nov 09, 2005, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Get just one good one as Techie suggests. I personally like the Enermax power supplies myself and would go with 400+ watt also.

Most modern power supplies will have a separate power dongle that's for the video card specifically now.

lord_shar · Nov 09, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42

Agreed with the above. I tend to go with Antec, Enermax, Coolermaster, and other well known brands of PSU's. Definitely go 400+ if you're mounting any power-hungry graphics board or running SLI/Crossfire.

Techie · Nov 09, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Yeah, and if you are confused what a power dongle is, as I was when I first started getting into computers, a power dongle is just a power cord that comes from your PSU. Normally they are 4-pin, and can also be referred to as "Molex Connectors" But, some video cards use little 3-pin connectors, not many, but some.

Chev of Hardass · Nov 09, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Hmm, well I am starting to rethink my plan. My main problem is that my current PSU does not have enough "dongles" for my new card. I think I can get a splitter, but is that recconmended?

EternalTempest · Nov 09, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14

Sorry about that Techie ... didn't mean too use pure tech terms.

When I got a new machine I spent the most money on the Motherboard, PowerSupply, and Ram. CPU and video is secondary for me.

You should buy one nice $80+ Power supply. I would avoid splitter if possible. Make sure it has some SATA (serial ata hard drive power connectors) and one or two more power connectors’ devoted to a video cards.

Reason why I focus on Mother Board, Power supply, and Memory over CPU / Video card.

If you change your mother board latter, you will most likely be changing other things, such as cpu, memory. So get the best mother board you can at the time of purchase.

Power supply - 2 reasons. One cheap power supply = lots of windows issue you will hard time trying to trouble shoot due to power dips that make everything else look like it's an issue. Get a top quality one and get and high watt one so it will last you 2 may be 3 upgrades.

Memory, if you get the fastest memory for your board, your not likely to upgrade latter unless your also doing a new mother board or need to expand the amount.

Now then CPU / Video card because there will be faster better stuff you can upgrade too even if you bought the system with top of the line at the time.

Point is make a good foundation first with Motherboard, Ram, and Power supply.

Also consider getting an UPS (uninterrupted power supply). You want the type that has the AC charging a battery, your PC is running of the battery.

When power goes out, you have 5-30 min of battery power to turn off your pc correctly and give you "pure" voltage going to your pc, no power spike or drops.

lord_shar · Nov 09, 2005, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass

Hmm, well I am starting to rethink my plan. My main problem is that my current PSU does not have enough "dongles" for my new card. I think I can get a splitter, but is that recconmended?

Splitters will work so long as 1) You have 400+ watt PSU 2) you DON'T connect both video card power inputs to a single power lead. This is a big no-no. Each video card power connector should have its own power lead coming from the PSU, with each outgoing split going to another hard drive, CD-ROM, etc.

Techie · Nov 09, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55

GPU's are one of the most watt consuming parts of a computer. If anything, DO NOT have them share leads with another component. You can use splitters on things like HD's and what-not however.

Chev of Hardass · Nov 09, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by EternalTempest

Sorry about that Techie ... didn't mean too use pure tech terms.

When I got a new machine I spent the most money on the Motherboard, PowerSupply, and Ram. CPU and video is secondary for me.

You should buy one nice $80+ Power supply. I would avoid splitter if possible. Make sure it has some SATA (serial ata hard drive power connectors) and one or two more power connectors’ devoted to a video cards.

Reason why I focus on Mother Board, Power supply, and Memory over CPU / Video card.

If you change your mother board latter, you will most likely be changing other things, such as cpu, memory. So get the best mother board you can at the time of purchase.

Power supply - 2 reasons. One cheap power supply = lots of windows issue you will hard time trying to trouble shoot due to power dips that make everything else look like it's an issue. Get a top quality one and get and high watt one so it will last you 2 may be 3 upgrades.

Memory, if you get the fastest memory for your board, your not likely to upgrade latter unless your also doing a new mother board or need to expand the amount.

Now then CPU / Video card because there will be faster better stuff you can upgrade too even if you bought the system with top of the line at the time.

Point is make a good foundation first with Motherboard, Ram, and Power supply.

Also consider getting an UPS (uninterrupted power supply). You want the type that has the AC charging a battery, your PC is running of the battery.

When power goes out, you have 5-30 min of battery power to turn off your pc correctly and give you "pure" voltage going to your pc, no power spike or drops.

Got it, got it, got it. In fact, I have had been dealing with a video card that is far below the quality of the rest of my system for some time now. I finally am getting up to the video card, since I have this thing about running everything at 1600x1200 and I am sick of running at low quality.

Lord_Shar, I think we might have our wires crossed somewhere. I am running a single Video card, so I think I only have one input. I get the thing about not splitting the lead to the card, but you lost me there.

I have been really impressed with this PSU so far, it replaced one that died after a month of operation, and has not hampered my use at all (as well as lowering my opertion temp by 10 degrees C at max use. I am fairly confident that the power output is strong enough, I just wish it had more leads.

I am starting to think that I should hook up both power supplies just because I have two available. Or just split the inputs to the CD-ROMs and hard drives so that I have enough leads to the video card.

Techie · Nov 10, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Then use the weaker one for lighting/cooling. Use that one for your fans, and maybe to power your motherboard depending.

Use your stronger one for the GPU's/IDE's/etc.

And what PSU do you have exactly?

Chev of Hardass · Nov 10, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08

Err, well, the 250W is a Dell Stock unit. I knew that would not be enough long ago. The 400W, well I will have to look at the name on it, I will check that out when I get home. I credit the differance in temps to the low quality of my last one, and the 120mm fan on it.

lord_shar · Nov 10, 2005, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass

...<SNIP>...

Lord_Shar, I think we might have our wires crossed somewhere. I am running a single Video card, so I think I only have one input. I get the thing about not splitting the lead to the card, but you lost me there.

...<SNIP>...

Some video cards, like my 6800Ultra, have two power inputs. If you only have a single video card power input, then sharing a power lead between it and a semi-active device like a CD-ROM should pose no problems.

Chev of Hardass · Nov 10, 2005, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Techie

Then use the weaker one for lighting/cooling. Use that one for your fans, and maybe to power your motherboard depending.

Use your stronger one for the GPU's/IDE's/etc.

And what PSU do you have exactly?

OK, so it is an SP P4 400W power supply, with 120mm fan.

So, stronger one for the GPU and IDEs, should I run my mobo on that one too? If you think so, then there is virtually nothing to run with my smaller PSU, since most of my fans run of the mobo and my lights are only LEDs in the fans.

I think I catch your drift lord_shar. I also think the Vanilla version only has one power input, but I could be wrong, since it only shipped today.

Thanks for all the help so far by the way. I love bouncing ideas like this off of people.

Techie · Nov 10, 2005, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Vanilla only has 1 power input, a 4 pin molex connector.

And the Dell PSU's are very reliable, but not a very high amp rating. If you notice on the tag on your 400W PSU you will see a column with "12V" under it should be "#A" Where "#" is an integer. Could you possibly tell me what that would be?

Chev of Hardass · Nov 10, 2005, 04:44 AM // 04:44

You know when you shutdown to do a little exploratory surgery and forget exactly what you were looking for? That is me right now. I have every number written down from my power supply in front of me.

Well, at 12V it is 14 Amps. For comparison the 3.3 and 5V are 30 and 40A respectively.

The Dell 250W has 16A at 12V..... much less at the other voltages. Comparing mine with the numbers from your earlier posts, I suddenly wonder if that 400W tag is for looks only...........

Techie · Nov 10, 2005, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Well a friend of mine, PieXags PM'ed me asking for video card advice. He said he wanted to get an x850XT PE, but he has a Dell Dimension 8300. He searched around on Google, and oddly enough, he found posts of users having x850XT PE's and 6800GT's in their system.

So I guess I am wrong, you could probably use the Dell one.

Chev of Hardass · Nov 10, 2005, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Maybe I should run dual power supplies, since my 12V amperage is so low.

I am thinking the Dell with it's 16A on the Video card, and the 400W with it's 14A on the Mobo and IDEs......... at least till I get sick of having 2 power supplies and get one with about the same amperage as the two combined.

Edit: Does the Video Card run on the 12V then?

Techie · Nov 10, 2005, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Almost every component runs on the 12V rail. And I am telling you from my own advice not to take a risk and try to run it under the recommended wattage and amp rating.

Chev of Hardass · Nov 10, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Hmm, well the manufacturer does not provide any real data on the input side of the card. It says a 400W power supply is required.

/gee thanks for all the help, NOT

Maybe they choose to believe that gamers don't understand difficult numbers like dq/dt.

/end rant

Anyway, I sent a support request and hopefully they can tell me how many amps the 12V side needs to produce.

I suspect that since my 250W supply has a higher amperage rating (@12V), the video card would be happier with it, but I am still speculating. I need the numbers.

Thanks again for all the help. I think my knowledge of Power Supplies has doubled in the last 24 hours