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Tommy · Dec 13, 2005, 11:34 PM // 23:34

what is the best mobo with agp rite now? I got the asus p4c800 deluxe+P4C 3Ghz rite now and looking for a decent mobo with AGP so i can keep my 6800GT?any suggestion?i found an asrock dual something mobo from Newegg for 69 bucks and it got both AGP and PCI-E on it but i am not familiar with asrock.anyone know anything about this board?

Alias_X · Dec 13, 2005, 11:50 PM // 23:50

I am going with the following mobo in my new build:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128307

The one you have I was going to get, but I just thought it might be crowded, or not that good, and I have heard great things about Gigabyte, so that settled it. Besides, if I wanted to upgrade to an SLI Board with two vid cards, or get a PCIe card, I would just buy a new mobo, because they aren't that expensive for quality ones.

After reading some reviews for the Asrock board, it seems like the good ones are based only on the fact that it has AGP and PCIe express slots, which I guess is a good thing if you don't want to waste 60 dollars down the road, but I think that you sacrifice quality for doing so. And, the sound didn't get great reviews, but thats only a problem if you are using onboard audio.

Go with it if you want to save $$ later on, but I am going with the Gigabyte one for quality and good auido, up to you though.

Tommy · Dec 14, 2005, 01:59 AM // 01:59

how can you host a 300 bucks processor with a 60 someething cheap mobo... you need something 100+

Dex · Dec 14, 2005, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Not necessarily, man. >$$$ does not always = good

The reason that board is cheap is that it's using a ULI "budget" northbridge, but I've read some really good things about that particular chipset. Also keep in mind that mobos using AGP chipsets are going down in price FAST. There are a lot of good motherboards that are <$100, and there are a lot of lousy motherboards that are >$100. Do research and read reviews on reputable hardware sites -- don't just look at the price tag. That's a good way to end up with an expensive P.o.S.

EternalTempest · Dec 16, 2005, 12:59 AM // 00:59

I would check out http://www.anandtech.com/ and http://www.tomshardware.com for reviews.

Agree with Dex, Since you know what type of cpu you want to run, start doing research on the chipsets that support that cpu. That will tell you how the chipset works compared to other. Also look at the cpu motherboard "shootout" reviews where they take a cpu type, say amd dual core and review a bunch of boards.

My upgrade I do diffrently, I spend the most money on motherboard, and memory, and get a quality (not cheap) high watt power supply. Cpu, video cards are easier to upgrade later and always come down in price (until there current generation comes to end and they go to something different).

Tommy · Dec 16, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

i might get abit ul8 mobo based on Uli 1689 Chip, but there is a mobo based on Nforce3 chipset from gigabye.Which one is better way to go?my budge is around 500 bucks.i need cpu+mobo only tho.i will probably go for 3800x2 or 4200x2 which one is better?

Alias_X · Dec 16, 2005, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Umm, probably the 4200X2, just because it is a larger number, but the difference doesn't seem that large, just a greater clock speed*. I am going with that mobo because it has had good reviews, and next year I plan on getting a new graphics card, and a new motherboard that supports PCIe. Also, there are only something like 2 mobos I have seen that support the AMD Dual Cores, and AGP's that newegg sells, and the one I am going with has better reviews. The thought of AGP and PCIe, something has to be missing, and then the fact that it had bad sound reviews, I am going to stay away from it.

I agree with Dex also, price is not quality, although it can be.

Tommy, can you find a mobo for me that has 939 socket, dual core and 64bit support, and is more than $100? Even if I wanted to I can't find one for that price lol.

*correct me if I am wrong

Tommy · Dec 16, 2005, 08:08 PM // 20:08

well you cannot really upgrade cuz AMD is lanuching the M2 socket which requires DDR2 memory and Pri-express.there wont be any faster x2 anymore after mid-2006.and the board you metioned before only got 4 stars out of 5 that is not a really good review for me..
and to dex. price does mean something.I have built 40+ pc for my freidns and my family, I ALWAYS have problem with new cheap mobo es.included some from name-brand manufacturers suck as ASUS and MSI. two X-serie Mobo from Asus die ind in 3 years.(btw,my standard is whatever mobo cannot last for over 5 years are p.o.s for me

)and more from MSI died in 2 years.cheap mobo usually made up of cheap materials and cheap cap from unknown chinese manufacturers, and they cannot last for long time.the panasonic 21" tv my dad bought in 80's still working great

<< now you can see price does mean something

Pharoke · Dec 16, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Umm my 2cents. Asrock is a daughter company of Asus.

lord_shar · Dec 16, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

what is the best mobo with agp rite now? I got the asus p4c800 deluxe+P4C 3Ghz rite now and looking for a decent mobo with AGP so i can keep my 6800GT?any suggestion?i found an asrock dual something mobo from Newegg for 69 bucks and it got both AGP and PCI-E on it but i am not familiar with asrock.anyone know anything about this board?

I'd suggest going with a MB with both AGP and PCIe, just to keep your upgrade options as open as possible. I've seen a few from Gigabyte and a few other MB manufacturers.

Dex · Dec 16, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

well you cannot really upgrade cuz AMD is lanuching the M2 socket which requires DDR2 memory and Pri-express.there wont be any faster x2 anymore after mid-2006.and the board you metioned before only got 4 stars out of 5 that is not a really good review for me..
and to dex. price does mean something.I have built 40+ pc for my freidns and my family, I ALWAYS have problem with new cheap mobo es.included some from name-brand manufacturers suck as ASUS and MSI. two X-serie Mobo from Asus die ind in 3 years.(btw,my standard is whatever mobo cannot last for over 5 years are p.o.s for me

)and more from MSI died in 2 years.cheap mobo usually made up of cheap materials and cheap cap from unknown chinese manufacturers, and they cannot last for long time.the panasonic 21" tv my dad bought in 80's still working great

<< now you can see price does mean something

Sorry, gotta still disagree on your wording. Price means nothing. Quality means something. Much of the time the higher quality components/devices cost more, but not always. I have a TON of hardware experience, and I've seen many a cheap motherboard outlast more expensive ones. One of the best I've ever used in my personal machines only cost me $80. It's 8 years old and still runs 24/7 in a server. While there is sometimes a correlation between high price and high quality, to dictate a minimum price that a decent board should cost is simply short-sighted. Sorry. I guess I kind of agree with what you're saying, but I totally disagree with the way you're saying it. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one I'm afraid.

Much of the time the "you get what you pay for" mantra is true, but there are also a lot of products out there that are simply overrated and overpriced.

Tommy · Dec 17, 2005, 02:26 AM // 02:26

dude... you cannot compare the pc from old days with the new pc today... my PentiumII 450 still running 24/7.. the mobo cost me around 80 too. most new cheapo mobo nowsday cannot last over 3 years..

Dex · Dec 17, 2005, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Tommy

dude... you cannot compare the pc from old days with the new pc today... my PentiumII 450 still running 24/7.. the mobo cost me around 80 too. most new cheapo mobo nowsday cannot last over 3 years..

So where is the cutoff? Less than 8 years...so...6 years? 4 years? When did all of these supposed bad motherboards start getting made? My last 2 very expensive motherboards died within 3 years because there was a known problem with an electrolyte solution used in a ton of capacitors at the time. Are you sure this is not the problem you're thinking of? It affected lots of boards:

http://www.niccomp.com/taiwanlowesr.htm

I had two >$150 boards die very quickly due to this problem, and some of my friends and the company I was working for at the time had the same problems.

All right, man. I'm not going to fight with you about it. All motherboards under $100 are garbage. Fine. Whatever you say. Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $100 for an AGP motherboard right now because it's officially old tech...but hey, what do I know?

No hard feelings, I just don't agree with you. It's okay to disagree.

Alias_X · Dec 17, 2005, 04:43 AM // 04:43

Tommy, you can't say that it is only good if it costs $100 or above, that is just stupid. And the AMD Dual Cores won't be outdated, in mid 2006, or at least they won't become considered bad for a while.

pegasux · Dec 19, 2005, 02:51 PM // 14:51

I have two under $100 MoBo's that are still running 24/7. You can't equate price with quality only quantity in my opinion. There are plenty of 100+ MoBo's out there that are just absolute junk, they are simply filled with tons of Accessories. Then there are the cheap stripped down boards that run rock solid. JMO though.

neoteo · Dec 19, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

get a Gigabyte