Curse

Res Surection · Jan 19, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

ur computer is just not good enough to support the video card is all, u also may have to much things on your pc or some very harmful viruses

Res Surection · Jan 19, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

i got a 3.4gb p4HT 200gb 1 hard drive
2 gigs of ram 1 dvd cd burner 420wat power supply
ATi radion 9550 256mb

and it works perfectly, dont load ur pc with a bunch of uneeded stuff, always defrag and clean out wat u dont need.

Res Surection · Jan 19, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18

and get the drivers from ur companies web site.....

Res Surection · Jan 19, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

its ur proccessor is what it is

Res Surection · Jan 19, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

how old is your pc?

Res Surection · Jan 19, 2006, 09:28 PM // 21:28

well, heres a good website for a new pc, http://www.pricewatch.com/, very good pc's, just swap everything into the new pc reformat and reinstall all ur stuff. make sure u get pentiums and amd 64's, best for gaming pc's.

Res Surection · Jan 19, 2006, 09:28 PM // 21:28

dang a 2600+ sounds kinda old

Dex · Jan 19, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Res Surection

its ur proccessor is what it is

Nah. His specs are fine. That processor should have no trouble running Guild Wars -- or supporting that video card for that matter.

This is a video-related issue. It's either the drivers or something to do with the card itself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Res Surection

well, heres a good website for a new pc, http://www.pricewatch.com/, very good pc's, just swap everything into the new pc reformat and reinstall all ur stuff. make sure u get pentiums and amd 64's, best for gaming pc's.

Um...no offense, but what the heck are you talking about? You're telling him to buy a new computer?

Old Dood · Jan 19, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Dex

Nah. His specs are fine. That processor should have no trouble running Guild Wars -- or supporting that video card for that matter.

This is a video-related issue. It's either the drivers or something to do with the card itself.

Um...no offense, but what the heck are you talking about? You're telling him to buy a new computer?

This guy is a griever....simple as that. Time to ignore him Dex...he is not worth the time.

Omega X · Jan 20, 2006, 01:19 AM // 01:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dex

Nah. His specs are fine. That processor should have no trouble running Guild Wars -- or supporting that video card for that matter.

HUGE EDIT!
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Specs are FINE to a point.

I found out that the Card might be 3.3v AGP. The board doesn't support it.

See Next post.

Omega X · Jan 20, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26

Now, I do a little research. I found at Directron.com a diagram of 3.3v cards and 1.5v cards. The 3.3v interface looks EXACTLY like the card I have now( one small one large), but the motherboard should have fried from the board itself. But the 6200 I have has the 3 prong 1.5v interface type and works all the same but doesn't cause problems in game.

Then I look up all sorts of various information to verify it. And it turns out that NvIDIA requires that the card meat the AGP 3.0 spec which is 1.5v or 0.8v for 4X and 8X respectively.

I swear, I just don't get it. With the new card my marks in 3Dmarks01 had went from 6k to 11k. And I think that its still too slow for that particular card.

What makes it even WORSE is that I have 3 days to fix the problem before I go on a small vacation.

Now I am really confused. At first I thought that this was a simple problem, but the more I look into it the MORE I become confused.

Now I have to do some HARD debugging to find out the problem. Dammit.

cannonfodder · Jan 20, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Omega X, 3dmark2001 is more cpu dependent than other versions, so a 5k jump in score is really good in my opinion. If I were you i'd try Aquamark3, it's a good benchmark for cpu and gpu. I would reformat and reinstall, it will be easier than trying to figure out whats wrong.

Res Surrection, stop the multiple posting "you ever heard of the EDIT button", also I have come to the conclusion you have no idea what your talking about.

EDIT - ALSO SPEC'S ARE FINE..

Kaguya · Jan 20, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Omega, did you try disabling Fast Writes yet?

Omega X · Jan 20, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01

@cannonfodder
I will try that benchmark program.

Reply to edit: I know that now.

@Kaguya
Yes I did. Has been off for a while.

MAJOR UPDATE FOLKS!!!

I went back and triple checked EVERYTHING.

And then something hit me. I started looking into the Power Supply itself and I found my problem:

The wise guys at Enermax was sSSSOOOOoo caught up in the affairs of PCI-Express 16X, that they OMITTED the extra plug on the full 12v rail for the common 4pin peripheral which are ALL 3.3v which explains the readings in the monitor program.

SO in plain words, the card was pulling power from the wrong rail. Which means the card was/is underpowered. Its just enough for 2d type things, but in 3d mode the Power Supply tries to compensate the power pull but when it goes over a certain amount of power, it ramps it back down to specs WHICH is causing the jumps and stutters.

SOOOOO. Now I have to find a 6pin PCI-E to 4pin molex converter so that the card can pull off of the proper 12v rail. Does anyone know how to find one?

Omega X · Jan 21, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

I've contacted Enermax on the power issue, HOPEFULLY they will give me a solution some time this century.

I am also poking around on more specialized forums to makesure that this is one specific problem.

Kaguya · Jan 21, 2006, 08:36 AM // 08:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega X

The wise guys at Enermax was sSSSOOOOoo caught up in the affairs of PCI-Express 16X, that they OMITTED the extra plug on the full 12v rail for the common 4pin peripheral which are ALL 3.3v which explains the readings in the monitor program.

*scratch*

You mean the standard Molex-plug is missing two cables? Or they all put out 3.3V? Molex should have 5V and 12V lines, and some power supplys have few cables that don't have either 5V or 12V on them (meant for fans).. If the lines are pushing out 3.3V through molex, there's something seriously wrong.

As far as I know, there shouldn't be major changes to PSU design caused by PCI-E systems, unless the system is BTX-form instead of the 'classic' ATX.

Omega X · Jan 21, 2006, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

*scratch*

You mean the standard Molex-plug is missing two cables? Or they all put out 3.3V? Molex should have 5V and 12V lines, and some power supplys have few cables that don't have either 5V or 12V on them (meant for fans).. If the lines are pushing out 3.3V through molex, there's something seriously wrong.

As far as I know, there shouldn't be major changes to PSU design caused by PCI-E systems, unless the system is BTX-form instead of the 'classic' ATX.

Well according to the manual, the 350w and lower models have an "extra" 4pin molex connection to supply stable 12v power. BUT the higher ones dont and instead sport the PCI-E connection. That lead me to believe that they didn't have the proper lines necessary. But as usual, the more I poke around, the more I learn and the less this makes sense.

All I know is something is wrong and I am trying to figure out why.

Kaguya · Jan 21, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega X

Well according to the manual, the 350w and lower models have an "extra" 4pin molex connection to supply stable 12v power. BUT the higher ones dont and instead sport the PCI-E connection. That lead me to believe that they didn't have the proper lines necessary. But as usual, the more I poke around, the more I learn and the less this makes sense.

You don't mean the P4-connector by anychance?

Those are only meant for motherboards that require additional power (read: all modern motherboards), the older boards had standard molex connector, whereas the newer motherboards have that P4-connector which supplies extra 3.3V, 5V, 12V and ground onto the board.

The normal molex connectors, like the one that goes onto the graphics cards always feed the +5/-5V and +12/-12V voltages, and if they don't, the PSU is busted or overloaded.

Googled around a bit, and found out what the 'PCI-E connector' is... That's quite a heavy power supply for a vidcard.

Omega X · Jan 21, 2006, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Tested in Aquamark3 with some suggestions from the Abit forum and Guru3D forum. Total was 33,173.

Omega X · Jan 21, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaguya

You don't mean the P4-connector by anychance?

Those are only meant for motherboards that require additional power (read: all modern motherboards), the older boards had standard molex connector, whereas the newer motherboards have that P4-connector which supplies extra 3.3V, 5V, 12V and ground onto the board.

The normal molex connectors, like the one that goes onto the graphics cards always feed the +5/-5V and +12/-12V voltages, and if they don't, the PSU is busted or overloaded.

Googled around a bit, and found out what the 'PCI-E connector' is... That's quite a heavy power supply for a vidcard.

No, I meant PCI-E connector as in 6pin blackish, has its own line in ADDITION to the P4 connection that also has its own line on my PSU.