Curse

MaglorD · Jun 05, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Zaxan Razor

Who's the fanboi?? Idiot..

Anyway, i always buy mid range cards, because i can't justify spending over £250 at the most on something for my computer (unless its buying a new one)..and in my experience, mid-range NVidia cards are horrible, truly, truly horrible. I have never had an Nvidia card that has lasted longer than 6 months.

I have had 2 Ati Cards, Radeon 9750, which lasted 8 months, and still works perfectly, but i recently upgraded to an X850, which is superb also, and ive had no problems with it so far.

The new Catalyst Drivers are pretty solid, and i dunno what you mean about ATi's software, despite having three processes running, it still uses less resources than NVidia's..

Have 2 Nvidia(GF2 on a notebook and 6800GT) and 2 ATI cards(9600XT and X800XTPE). Haven't had any trouble from either. So yeah, can't say one's worse than the other unless you have Nvidia's FX. I've been playing GW on my gaming machine with the X800XTPE since Apr 2005 and it's just superb. The 6800GT sits in my regular machine, for surfing email etc.

I'm just waiting for ATI's 6.6 drivers before I update from 6.4.

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jun 05, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

I have used ATI before didn't like the drivers or performance. Now I use BFG NVidia cards in all my builds. Have not had one complaint from a customer yet. Plus you gotta love the BFG for their service.

As far as the whole ATI-vs-Nvidia stuff goes. It is all a matter of opinion. I truly believe neither is better than the other. It is a matter of preference. I chose NVidia because I have had some troubles with ATI. I have a friend that swears by ATI. We both play the same games and both build rigs for others.

The whole peeing match over which is better is pointless. Really!

EagleEye33 · Jun 05, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Serafita Kayin

I spoke to my nVidia source over this.

koneko, call eVGA, tell them exactly what you have, what it's doing, and mention the fact that RMA rates are up to 10% on these cards. If necessary, cite the Inquirer. They are legally obligated to make this right, and from my long experience with eVGA, they don't give a shit what you do to these, they'll fix it. If necessary, mention the fact that you are a mod for a very heavily visited forum. They don't want any more bad press.

I sent in a card, told them it had a waterblock on it and it died at stock getting ready for overclocking. You know how I got the new card?

Bare, prepped for waterblock.

They have THE best warranty in the industry. Use it.

For the rest of you, get off it. I've spent more on video cards this year than most new PCs cost, and I'm not yet finished, and that's average for a year. I've got enough experience to tell ya this-there is none "better" overall, merely for a different situation. This is not the FX days. If you can't keep a card more than 6 months, RMA it. After that, examine your own usage.

I would try what he said or else this thread will go on forever on another ATI vs. Nvidia bout, which is pointless (espcially when this thread was to help out your problem

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Mustache Mayhem · Jun 05, 2006, 03:30 PM // 15:30

actually I've never had a problem with hardware from ati.. the software (especially the all in wonder) used to take some knowledge to setup correctly.. nvidia is 3rd party manufactured and I have had problems with the hardware on some of the cards- fans going out being one of the big issues.. overclocking is another.. that's all I can say though

koneko · Jun 05, 2006, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Serafita Kayin

Call eVGA, tell them exactly what you have, what it's doing, and mention the fact that RMA rates are up to 10% on these cards. If necessary, cite the Inquirer. They are legally obligated to make this right, and from my long experience with eVGA, they don't give a shit what you do to these, they'll fix it.

They have THE best warranty in the industry. Use it.

Yeah...I've been trying that. The problem that I was trying to get across in my post is that this is my fourth card, two of which were physically damaged...lack of QC. Calling when their support lines open up later today...

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Originally Posted by EagleEye33

or else this thread will go on forever on another ATI vs. Nvidia bout

Luckily, it's mainly been limited to one fanboi that wants to turn this thread into one - the point of posting was to point out a lack of quality control going around. Le sigh.

Edit: Called up eVGA, ended up talking to J. Freeman (again - I talked to him last Thursday)...difficult to describe the "bent metal backplate but not as serious as a prior card" issue with broken Engrish. (He got the idea that it wouldn't fit in the case, so it's all good.) New ("recertified," no doubt, something that I'm still unhappy about) card being shipped out soon, these two N564s are going back as soon as I recieve the second shipping label. Frustrating.

Lord Iowerth · Jun 07, 2006, 02:05 AM // 02:05

So I just got back from the future, right? (shh don't tell anyone, i've already got people asking me for lightsabres and all sorts of junk) and I just want to say: don't do it, koneko ... there's no Guild Wars in jail ...

kvndoom · Jun 07, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

That, my friend, belongs in the Guru Hall of Fame.

Ristaron · Jun 07, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

Can we continue the argument without the technical stuff? It's hilarious to watch the bickering, but my brain is too tired to understand model numbers and why tech support is stupid.

Thanks

<EDIT:> I suppose I shouldn't be surprised... I'm in the tech section.

Ghozer · Jun 07, 2006, 11:41 AM // 11:41

That... Lord Iowerth --- is CLASS!

-- Well Written xD

devils wraths · Jun 07, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18

i have a 7900 gt and mine has been fine but evga is one company i wouldnt buy from most of there cards i brought have broke after a couple of months. if its an nvidia card i normally buy from xfx or gigabyte.

AlbinoChocobo · Jun 07, 2006, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by MaglorD

The 6800GT sits in my regular machine, for surfing email etc.

Oh my gosh. Just a bit off topic, I'm playing guild wars on a plain 6600 ... Must be a bit under the one koneko is trying to replace ...
That's it, I'm officialy small fry ..

Lasher Dragon · Jun 07, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by AlbinoChocobo

Oh my gosh. Just a bit off topic, I'm playing guild wars on a plain 6600 ... Must be a bit under the one koneko is trying to replace ...
That's it, I'm officialy small fry ..

You think that's bad? I just replaced my card last week - GeForce FX 5200 baby!

Hey, it got me through over 1k GW hours, and probably about 400-500 BF2 hours (Yes, it ran BF2! Yes, it looked like ass! Had max draw distance though, so I spent most of my time sniping hehe)

Bane of Worlds · Jun 07, 2006, 02:58 PM // 14:58

Lord Iowerth that is pure class and keep up the work

anyway this argument is pointless IMHO
but I had better experiences with Nvidia since ATI cards tend to have driver and installations problems for some odd reason
eVGA isn't a great company to buy v cards from since my buddy had problems with them
my cards are from BFG oh for yall Doom fans it's not that big ******* gun
overclocked right out of the box but you can overclock it more if desired since their stock fan is actually good
my oldest Nvidia card has died yet which is on my 2nd computer

Mistress Mindbender · Jun 07, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

Best card I ever had was a BFG FX 5500 OC.... even without chipset drivers installed (yeah, I know) it worked flawlessly for 2 years.

In feb/06 I upgraded to an EVGA 7800 CO GS card. Was enticed by the lifetime warranty, and step up program. Card was a little unstable at clock speeds, slightly underclocking fixed the problem. Even with underclocked I don't regret my purchase, although I never figured out exactly if it was the card or the system that caused the crash. EVGA tech support suspected that it was my power supply, seemed a little unlikely. The second tech I spoke to said that my system was unstable because I had my ram maxed, he suggested to take out 1 chip and try the card. Oddly enough I couldn't seem to crash the system when overclocking the card.

I am currently in the process of stepping up to an EVGA 7900 GT KO SC - SLi, hopefully its one of the good onces since they claim they are fixing the problem.

Having to play on a $150 ATI card loner makes me miss my Nvidia 7 series (A difference of 3000 in 3Dmark06).

Keep in mind that if you can get a card that you can make stable by slightly underclocking (I know thats another rant, about not what you paid for ect..) Keep that one for a little bit until they get their issues resolved. You still have your lifetime warranty.

Josh · Jun 07, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by koneko

I'd rather miss out on "performance boosts" than deal with piss-poor drivers.

You do realize 7900 problems aren't just limited to eVGA, right...?

HAY GUYS LETS ALL GO BUY XFX CARDS LAWL, O WAIT THEY DUN HAV SUPPORT BOARDS NOMOAR LAWL

Getting offtopic...needing suggestions on what to do at this point (other than RMA again). Maybe I'll try to argue for a refund at this point...

My point was, the performance BOOST is what makes the drivers good.

What is so 'piss-poor' about the drivers, huh?

felinette · Jun 07, 2006, 06:56 PM // 18:56

I've had both nVidia and ATI cards--can't say I prefer one over the other. One interesting note about a problem I posted here a couple of months ago--when I got a new machine with 7800GTX cards in SLI, it couldn't run GW at anything but my monitor's native resolution. My old machine, which had an ATI 9800XT card, could run it at all resolutions. It turned out that nVidia is aware of a problem with their drivers that causes imaging problems if you try to run a game at anything but your monitor's native resolution with VSYNC on. So you either have to turn VSYNC off, or run at the native resolution, which isn't always possible depending on the game. So on that score, ATI came out ahead, but I've never had a serious problem with either make of card.

EiS · Jun 08, 2006, 09:35 AM // 09:35

ATI are one of the best simple way to get around there drivers is use 3rd party drivers like Omega drivers i have been useing them ever since i have been useing ATI and never a problem and hey the Omega drivers do use that shit ass CCC crap they got rid of it and use the original control panel which ATI should of stuf with in the beggining i know the actul ATI drivers suck but if you use the Omega drivers i'm pretty sure you will never have a problem like me and with the HS thats easy too if your spending the money to get a kick ass card i'm sure you can spend the what like extra 30 buck to get a after market cooler like the Sliencer series or even the Zalmans are good coolers and even Thermalright has a sweet VGA cooler you could use but thats just me i never use the stock cooler with anything like my X800XT Platinum that cooler was never even used still bend new as soon as i got the card i had the ATI sliencer 4 already took the card out of the box took off stock cooler put on sliencer and put it in my comp and has been there since smooth with no problems

Lasher Dragon · Jun 08, 2006, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Black Forsaken · Jun 08, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by devils wraths

i have a 7900 gt and mine has been fine but evga is one company i wouldnt buy from most of there cards i brought have broke after a couple of months. if its an nvidia card i normally buy from xfx or gigabyte.

Aye, I have a standard XFX 7900GT card without the factory OC and mine is running fine.

koneko · Jun 08, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Josh

My point was, the performance BOOST is what makes the drivers good.

What is so 'piss-poor' about the drivers, huh?

http://www.driverheaven.net/~pete/article5.htm
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=770434
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-410738.html
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-393111.html

Hint: not all of these issues have been resolved.

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Originally Posted by Black Forsaken

Quote:

Originally Posted by devils wraths

i have a 7900 gt and mine has been fine but evga is one company i wouldnt buy from most of there cards i brought have broke after a couple of months. if its an nvidia card i normally buy from xfx or gigabyte.

Aye, I have a standard XFX 7900GT card without the factory OC and mine is running fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by koneko

You do realize 7900 problems aren't just limited to eVGA, right...?

HAY GUYS LETS ALL GO BUY XFX CARDS LAWL, O WAIT THEY DUN HAV SUPPORT BOARDS NOMOAR LAWL