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Loviatar · Nov 17, 2007, 03:13 AM // 03:13

one reasonable and serious question i have is why you did not simply check your account for total purchases that qualify as people were posting all over ..........and over and over asking how to check and being told each time to check their ncsoft account for total spent.

not against you just curious and it seems my earlier guess of non GW was correct but who knows?

having no magic wand all i can say is good luck

Armchair.pimp · Nov 18, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

I suspect no good will come of this I'm afraid.. the fact the promotion seems to have been open to so much interpretation should set alarm bells ringing @ NC Soft to ensure they don't repeat the same mistakes..

Kwaad · Dec 02, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

I am very upset about the BMP.... So I'm old fashion, I like to have a Box. I like to actually HAVE somthing I paid for. It's Human nature...I have all the games in box form from a store...BUT...I got all my extra slots, bonus weapon packs from the on-line store...BEFORE the BMP deal. 11 character slots.

So what do I get for my didication to the game? Screwed out of the BMP. I had nothing left to buy, my account is totally unlocked so I didn't need to buy the skill packs, I dont need to buy 3 more slots to get to the $29 qualification limit and I dont want to purchase things I dont NEED to get.

Thanks ANET. Why not just make the Pack on-line purchaseable ONLY if you want business out of your store so bad?

Hellbringer Kill · Dec 02, 2007, 03:53 PM // 15:53

If you ask me ANet should be smart now to put the BMP on the online store and at stores. That way they could make some more money instead of being dumb at this time because I'm pretty sure a lot of people will buy it giving them a lot more money instead of being complete idiots and not getting much money now because a lot of my alliance really wants to get the BMP which is about 30-40 people that want it just for the BMP weapons.

Stockholm · Dec 02, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by Hellbringer Kill

If you ask me ANet should be smart now to put the BMP on the online store and at stores. That way they could make some more money instead of being dumb at this time because I'm pretty sure a lot of people will buy it giving them a lot more money instead of being complete idiots and not getting much money now because a lot of my alliance really wants to get the BMP which is about 30-40 people that want it just for the BMP weapons.

Putting it up for sale in the online store at sometime later, Yes.
But if it becomes awaileble in retail stores then the whole point with the BMP promotion was a waist of time and manhours for A-Net.

What is so hard to understand with the concept of a promotion for the ONLINE store?
NC-Soft keeps 100% of the money as to 50% when sold in stores, and it has nothing to do with player loyaltys it is bussines 101.

And people better get use to using the online store, because I think that will be the only place you can get GW2.

Abe Grey · Dec 02, 2007, 04:20 PM // 16:20

This is for all those people hating on Anet. What part of purchase $29 worth of stuff from the online store did you not understand. And if you did not understand it you had almost 4 months to find out the answers. 4 months!

Quaker · Dec 02, 2007, 05:54 PM // 17:54

And really folks, the BMP is not that big a deal. It's 4 moderately challenging solo quests that get you some weapons with new skins. Woohee! That's really worth getting "stressed" over?! You may as well get stressed over not getting the stuff in the Collector's Editions while you're at it. (On my gawd, I can't use a disco ball!)

Mamabear · Dec 03, 2007, 02:43 PM // 14:43

I was so glad when the new quests finally arrived. Having spent 30+ dollars per account for virtually 4 quests seemed pricy however I like new things. Once I had done each of the quests, Sauls being pretty tuff to begin with, I thought it would be nice to aquire some additional weapons per character. Only to find out that you had already nurfed the quest to make them hard mode, or at least not as easily accomplished as the first run through, which wasn't exactly a cake walk the first time. So I now see no point in even trying to obtain any weapons for my second account that I also spent 30+ dollars on to just get quests that are so tuff they are discouraging. You know since you at ANet have decided all of GW should be for GVG or PVP chars why on earth do you screw up the one thing us PVE players get in a very long time? Some of us simply don't enjoy hard mode or difficult mastery. I spent all that money on something I can't even enjoy. Please set them back to be able to be accomplished by the average player.

Yanman.be · Dec 03, 2007, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Oh yeah 50 people times 40 is huuuuuuge profit 8-)

OneEyedNewt · Dec 03, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Mamabear

I was so glad when the new quests finally arrived. Having spent 30+ dollars per account for virtually 4 quests seemed pricy however I like new things. Once I had done each of the quests, Sauls being pretty tuff to begin with, I thought it would be nice to aquire some additional weapons per character. Only to find out that you had already nurfed the quest to make them hard mode, or at least not as easily accomplished as the first run through, which wasn't exactly a cake walk the first time. So I now see no point in even trying to obtain any weapons for my second account that I also spent 30+ dollars on to just get quests that are so tuff they are discouraging. You know since you at ANet have decided all of GW should be for GVG or PVP chars why on earth do you screw up the one thing us PVE players get in a very long time? Some of us simply don't enjoy hard mode or difficult mastery. I spent all that money on something I can't even enjoy. Please set them back to be able to be accomplished by the average player.

erm...what? The missions are fairly easy and from my experience they don't get harder after the first play through. They can very easily be completed by the average player

Stockholm · Dec 03, 2007, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by gloria vander belt

hell i know atleast 50-60 people myself who would pay $25-$40 for it, but A-Net is to busy sitting on there asses playing in there cash, rubbing it against there greasy fore-heads, pevertedly getting off on every and each complaint, they did this for there own sexaul means....SICKO'S

Its the mere fact, i have disorders, that make me have whole collections of things, its like OCD(over compulsive disorder).

Im all stressed cus i want a whole collection. not be missing 4 quest, i want them 4 quest, im willing to pay 25-40 dollars for them.

Sounds like you need to spend that money on prozac insteed.
Throwing accusations around and insulting A-net is not going to get you anything.

zamial · Dec 03, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

This is in no way a technical issue.

Gail Grey quoted from game and dev tracker for those that did no't bother to read it:

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This is not a friendly petition. Denigrating a company for a marketing promotion, accusing them of failing to live up to their principles, and presenting a grasp for freebies in the guise of a "friendly petition" is nonsense. Pretending there are no option for purchase is disingenuous and untruthful.

We are not a charity. On a dollar-per-dollar basis, we give more to our players than any other company I can think of. But asking us to spend months in production on a project like the BMP and then give it away as some kind of good will gesture is unrealistic. Your picking selective anecdotes to back up a "the sky is falling" scenario, as if to imply--even state--that we must start giving handouts to retain a diminished community is morally and philosophically wrong. (It is also factually wrong, for the community is not diminished at all, as game concurrency proves.)

You state ArenaNet is adored by gamers, and suggest that this is because we offer fee-free gaming. You're right, that is a major factor. But we won't be able to offer fee-free gaming, or any sort of gaming at all, if we don't continue to sell games. We intend to sustain our games by doing what we can to encourage people to purchase our products, just as any other company does, from General Motors to Betty Crocker to Geico. Promotions, like the BMP promotion, are part of the effort to sell games. And "sell" here--while it has four letters--is not a nasty word!

There were many options to make the qualifying purchase. Some did not choose to make a purchase; that's perfectly ok. But this is a "I want to have my cake and eat it too" situation. For what this says is, "I don't support you, but I demand you support me in two ways: With normal game support through free servers, website content, contests, community relations, support and more, plus I want whatever else you do as a freebie, too." Marketing and sales are the lifeblood of our continued health. They pay for our ability to continue to support Guild Wars as well as to develop future products. Don't for a minute suggest there is something wrong in our presenting such a promotion. Don't for a minute suggest that someone's failure to acquire the pack is in some way our shortcoming, or a failure of our company to uphold some sort of heart-set company mission statement.

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All of the ideas in the petition do involve giving away the product, and each subverts the very promotional intention of BMP's creation. In some form or another, they suggest that we expend months of development time and offer it, free, without using it for the desired and reasonable intention: To encourage purchase of items in our in-game store. (By way of information, for instance, magazines so not pay us to offer a key; we pay them to print the keys.)

The suggestions of others are equally of little value or off the purpose because, well, let's think: We have a group of experienced and trained sales and marketing professionals looking at this matter, members of a multi-billion-dollar corporation. Like game design suggestions, pretty much any option that someone external can think of is likely to have been proposed, explored, and either accepted and implemented, rejected, or found to be non-implementable at this time.

PayPal? It takes a long while to set up for commercial entities, particularly those that are global, and there are issues beyond the set-up itself that prevent us from offering this obvious and sensible and highly-desirable option in the here and now. I've been promoting this idea for more than two years, and I'll continue to do so in the future. It is a great idea whose time, unfortunately, is not here.

Someone has too many purchases on his credit card through our store? Easy -- contact Support and they will make it happen. That is NOT a problem.

Checks? The cost of processing checks is very high, particularly with the the high rate of bad checks that are written these days. We can hold checks until they clear, but that's very hands-on, and requires even more labour. Let's look: For a product that someone suggested we sell at $10, we hire in people to:
* open envelopes
* read order forms
* record purchases on detailed databases
* assure purchases are credited to the proper account
* physically deposit checks
* process the keys onto the individual player accounts
* remove the keys from the accounts of those who used stolen checks, or whose checks bounce
* provide support for those who didn't give us their accurate account information or have other fulfillment issues
* and more.
Believe it or not, this would likely cost us more than $10, which gets back to the whole "giving it away" idea.

Retail? At what cost? The stores would want a large percentage of the sales price, and the costs of goods are high, and are paid by the manufacturer/publisher. Packaging, key cards, CDs, signage, posters for the store, online and print ads to support the sales (retailers expect that), and more are part of those costs. So again, for what cost? If you put too high a price on the product, players complain it's not worth the cost. Too low, and... here it comes... we're giving it away because our costs exceed the income.

Gift with purchase? We did that--that is what the promotion is all about. But the promotion is not to point people to the gear store; the promotion is to encouarge people to use the in-game store. If Burger King is offering a new chicken sandwich and offers a "with purchase" promotion for the new meal, don't diss them if they don't give you the free fries with your Whopper. happy

Game card through retailers? Not something we are able to do yet, but believe me I suggested it years ago, too, and as it turns out, NCsoft said they have some ideas on the subject. We'll see about this one; it would be great for the future but just isn't do-able now. Keep in mind, though, that again, any retailers offering the cards for sale will probably keep half of the purchase price, which definitely eats into the profits, when we're assuming the cost of the production, promotion, etc.

In the end, the BMP is a modest "thank you" to those who used our in-game store to make their purchase. Its purpose is twofold: To encourage use of the in-game store, and to express appreciation to those who do. It is a win/win for customer and company. For those who did not choose to participate, or felt that they would rather have a box, or did not have a means to purchase, those decisions or those issues do not refute the overall value of the promotion, or the reasoning behind our offering it..

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I posted this to "clear the air".

Loviatar · Dec 03, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by gloria vander belt

hell i know atleast 50-60 people myself who would pay $25-$40 for it, but A-Net is to busy sitting on there asses playing in there cash, rubbing it against there greasy fore-heads, pevertedly getting off on every and each complaint, they did this for there own sexaul means....SICKO'S

Anet is owned by NCsoft who got the money.

blame NCsoft or shut up as Anet does not make these decisions.

if you are going to bitch at least bitch at the right person.

Holy Light Angel · Dec 03, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

hello guys starting in one weeks time ones the holidays have hit i will sell coemplete books of your choice, for you to authorise and then trade in to get any of the weapons you desire, i will be saying maximum 3 per ign for the time being otherwise this really will be come far far far to much for me to handel, pm me if you are interested, 5k per completed book sounds resonable to me, as you can't otherwise get these items, i would do for free but these quests will get so boring after doing them over and over and far more will want if i dont put up a price tag with it hence me doing so, this should help end all of the rants about people not owning it in relation to not be able to get the weapons.

OneEyedNewt · Dec 03, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Holy Light Angel

hello guys starting in one weeks time ones the holidays have hit i will sell coemplete books of your choice, for you to authorise and then trade in to get any of the weapons you desire, i will be saying maximum 3 per ign for the time being otherwise this really will be come far far far to much for me to handel, pm me if you are interested, 5k per completed book sounds resonable to me, as you can't otherwise get these items, i would do for free but these quests will get so boring after doing them over and over and far more will want if i dont put up a price tag with it hence me doing so, this should help end all of the rants about people not owning it in relation to not be able to get the weapons.

You do realise the books are customised, right?

Alex Morningstar · Dec 03, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by zamial

This is in no way a technical issue.

Gail Grey quoted from game and dev tracker for those that did no't bother to read it:
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This is not a friendly petition... (large quote from Gaile, scroll up)

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I posted this to "clear the air".

Seriously. There are people literally ranting and raving about the BMP when it was made fairly clear to everyone I know.

It was an incentive to buy from the GW In-game store. Yes, the front page was confusing, so a few of you that bought through PlayNC can maybe use that one as an excuse. But there WAS 4 months to figure it out, 4 months to investigate, 4 months to ask questions. Venue's for such questions exist and will be answered, because as someone did say: Anet does very much want your money. They are a business and want to sell their product.

To those that want packaging and CDs: That is your choice. You chose to have CDs and packaging instead of buying online and getting the BMP. Quit blaming others for your decision. Anet is a business, period. They set the table on their terms, you either take it or leave it. You left it.

To the guys with bank problems: Three words; Visa Gift Card. You give Visa money, they put it on a 'gift card' that works like a Credit Card. Wal-Mart even sells them. Credit Card problems in the In-Game store, stuff like that is what support gets paid to deal with, instead of the crying over the BMP. If an actual human were to contact them saying "Hey, my card is having problems making the purchase", they'd look at your account to determine that you were not using a card that was stolen and/or used to buy bot accounts and then unlock it.

What it comes down to, is the BMP is up to Anet, always has been, always will. They do not HAVE to sell it at a later date, though power to them if they decide to, they have every right NOT to. The promotion is over. Those that chose to fulfill the promotion were rewarded, those that did not, can continue as they were.

I don't see how so many people got it into their heads that they were entitled to so much for so little. Obviously they don't deal with much business in the real world. Particularly from large corporations. Seriously, if you take a step back and look at the 'friendly petition' thread, and all the other BMP threads, it boiled down to a lot of people crying injustice like there wasn't FOUR months to figure out a way of getting it. It wasn't like it was a retroactive decision where there was no way of knowing, or a week-long event. It reminds me of kids throwing a temper tantrum in the store because mom wont buy them candy or toys.

/end rant

Alright, flame away.

Quaker · Dec 03, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by lakatz

All purchases made through either the Guild Wars In-Game Store or the PlayNC Store from noon Pacific Time on July 5, 2007 through noon Pacific Time on October 31, 2007 are added together. Once you meet the required amount, the bonus missions will be yours and you'll get access once the missions go live in November.

Yes we all know that some people found that mis-leading. Let's rehash it all again!

They should have said "All qualifying purchases" - that is, if you purchased $29 dollars worth of GUILD WARS items through the PlayNC store or the in-game store. But, if you were stupid enough to then think you could make ANY purchase through the PlayNC store, without checking the ACTUAL promotion on the GW website, you may as well just walk around with DOOFUS stamped on your forehead! Give it up!

Or, let me give another Burger King scenario. BK sets up a promotion where they say "Buy a Whopper at BK and we'll give you free fries." So, you call up BK and ask "Does this include purchases from the Drive-through?" So they reply "Yes, all purchases through the Drive-through qualify." If you then go off a buy a chicken burger at the drive-through, and expect to get free fries, you are either a little dumb, or just s**t disturbing.

Quaker · Dec 03, 2007, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by OneEyedNewt

You do realise the books are customised, right?

Sounds like the start of another "Why was I banned?" thread.

Mordakai · Dec 03, 2007, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Yes we all know that some people found that mis-leading. Let's rehash it all again!

Or, let me give another Burger King scenario. BK sets up a promotion where they say "Buy a Whopper at BK and we'll give you free fries." So, you call up BK and ask "Does this include purchases from the Drive-through?" So they reply "Yes, all purchases through the Drive-through qualify." If you then go off a buy a chicken burger at the drive-through, and expect to get free fries, you are either a little dumb, or just s**t disturbing.

Not sure that's a fair comparison.

After all, NCSoft owns Anet, the money all goes to the same place.

Why wouldn't NCSoft want their GW customers to buy other NCSoft titles?

dts720666 · Dec 03, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Mamabear

I was so glad when the new quests finally arrived. Having spent 30+ dollars per account for virtually 4 quests seemed pricy however I like new things. Once I had done each of the quests, Sauls being pretty tuff to begin with, I thought it would be nice to aquire some additional weapons per character. Only to find out that you had already nurfed the quest to make them hard mode, or at least not as easily accomplished as the first run through, which wasn't exactly a cake walk the first time. So I now see no point in even trying to obtain any weapons for my second account that I also spent 30+ dollars on to just get quests that are so tuff they are discouraging. You know since you at ANet have decided all of GW should be for GVG or PVP chars why on earth do you screw up the one thing us PVE players get in a very long time? Some of us simply don't enjoy hard mode or difficult mastery. I spent all that money on something I can't even enjoy. Please set them back to be able to be accomplished by the average player.

Relax. They're not that hard. I have only had minor problems with a few of the discoveries on the missions, but with a little thought and proper use of skill sets, have been able to complete them all. ANet scored with me big time on this...especially since I didn't really spend any more money than I was going to anyway. I bought GWEN online through their store.

Bottom line: Buy smart + Play smart = Fun.