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Old Jun 24, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19   #21
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Quad cards scale perfectly well in some games. If it just so happens to not be the TWIMTBP games, well, those were really meant for AMD too. Somebody just paid off a developer. I can speak from experience, I have quad cards.


I think for general gaming an AMD Spider platform setup would be a lot cheaper, provide the same experience, and leave you with more for storage/backup options or more to put into a display. And if you're not crazy about working on your PC, as Rahja said, then stick with air. Water is a whole nother beast.
Spider is a gorgeous platform. The 3W TDP is amazing. Personally, I think AMD is the leader in chipsets for the time being. You save a ton of money, and while the Phenom processors may not be performance king, they certainly don't lack in it either. This constant hit on AMD is rather unamusing, as their processors are still quite viable. Most end users won't notice the difference, and with the new AMD GPUs, the difference is being sealed up from CPU to GPU dependence.

Custom water cooling takes experience, time, and managment. You have to know exactly what you are doing and understand how water flow and heat retention function to get a high performance LC system to be 100% effective. Air cooling is quite advanced these days. I typically don't bother with liquid anymore because I am lazy. lol... But maybe my next build will feature a custom LC system.
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Old Jun 24, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23   #22
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Wonder what happened to that Alienware monstrosity - was due out second half of this year. Seems to have dropped off the radar. Hmm, maybe they're playing the old "fiscal year" trick, giving them until March to actually come up with a merchantable product...
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Old Jun 24, 2008, 08:34 PM // 20:34   #23
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Wonder what happened to that Alienware monstrosity - was due out second half of this year. Seems to have dropped off the radar. Hmm, maybe they're playing the old "fiscal year" trick, giving them until March to actually come up with a merchantable product...
It probably exploded in Area 51 and we don't know about it. I always knew Chenney was an alien....
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Old Jun 25, 2008, 02:55 AM // 02:55   #24
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I hate prebuilt. I just say build your own. Save money, have fun, learn how it works.
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Old Jun 25, 2008, 05:13 AM // 05:13   #25
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I hate prebuilt. I just say build your own. Save money, have fun, learn how it works.
Most users would either:

A) Kill themselves
B) Burn their house down.
C) Fry the components
D) Buy the wrong components
E) All of the above
F) Rage quit
G) All of the above + curse you for suggesting it.

Remember, most users know how to turn on a PC and double click stuff. Installers baffle them, muchless PC construction. While I agree to some degree, only users fairly comfortable doing so should attempt a self build. Otherwise, they will waste money on incompatible parts and probably fry the parts they do put in via static discharge or improper installation/cooling.
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Old Jun 25, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04   #26
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building a computer ain't hard, just need to have patience, read some guides about it, have more patience, learn about components and buy them at a good store.

frying your components is cool btw, i blew up my PSU ones on accident
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G) All of the above + curse you for suggesting it.
They can't, see point A). Either way problem solved, GJ Serafita Kayin.

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i blew up my PSU ones on accident
How do you blow up a PSU by accident?
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Old Jun 25, 2008, 01:00 PM // 13:00   #28
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How do you blow up a PSU by accident?
OVerload a rail enough. Watch it go boom. Trust me.
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Old Jun 25, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35   #29
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Old Jun 25, 2008, 02:20 PM // 14:20   #30
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my old PSU had a red voltage regulater on the back, i accidently switched it with my screwdriver from 330 to 75 volt. watch it go boom next to my face ><
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I understand, but at the same time you win some over. Fostering a bit of pride in your own work tends to make you want to be able to maintain it yourself as well.

Flipped the red switch? Awesome.
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Old Jun 25, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13   #32
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my old PSU had a red voltage regulater on the back, i accidently switched it with my screwdriver from 330 to 75 volt. watch it go boom next to my face ><
Hehe - when I was around 5 years old, I did that to my dad's shaver. Switched it from 240V to 110. Next time dad had a shave, kablooie! Who'd have known it would be my ass that got injured?

On the subject of self builds, my current pre-build is the first one I've owned, and you all know the grief I've had with that. My new 780i arrived today so, with the recent acquisitions of a Thermaltake Armor+, Tuniq Tower, SATA DVD drive, the 8 gigs of Ballistix Tracer and what have you, I can now say I'm back to self building with a vengeance. For starters, it's one HELL of a lot easier without half a dozen PATA ribbon cables blocking everything. Man, I hated those things. The only thing I possibly need to change in my setup is the PSU. My rig came with this - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817171017 - which has very mixed reviews. I fancy one of those big, modular, megawatty Tagan jobs, but I'm not going to get one unless I have to. Them's spensive.

Er, have I hijacked a thread again?
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Old Jun 25, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59   #33
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I hate prebuilt. I just say build your own. Save money, have fun, learn how it works.
Anyone can build a computer but will it work effeciantly after the build is the key issue. Another issue is programming I hate it most don't understand it.

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Old Jun 26, 2008, 05:57 AM // 05:57   #34
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• NETWORK: Killer M1 10/100/1000 Gigabit High Speed Online Gaming PCI Network Interface Card [+249]

LOL, talking about wasting 250 bucks on nothing!
Oh, and you want 4 gb of ram in a gaming system these days.
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