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Spangly_boy · May 30, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16

Hi all,

I'm planning to get a new rig shortly and have been looking around at all parts etc. I'm finally thinking on settling on this but thought I'd throw it to the wolves first for any good advice they could give me.

Case: Lian-Li V2100B Plus Black CASE (NO PSU)
Cabling: Supreme Cable Management and UV Modding - Blue
Window: Plain Precise Machine-Cut Window
Cooling Mesh: Precise Machine-Cut Plain Rectangular for meshing
Airbrushing: Supreme Air-Brushing (Complex Custom Pattern)
Fans type: Blue-LED fans
Cooling: LiquoCool Antarctic TXX (CPU+2Chipset+2VGA+2Mosfets)
PSU: Coolermaster Real Power M1000W Modular PSU
Motherboard: ASUS Striker II Extreme (Nvidia 790i - DDR3)
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad QX9650 Extreme @ 4.0Ghz
Memory: (2 x) OCZ DDR3-1800 2x2048MB Platinum Dual Channel
Graphics: (2 x) BFG Nvidia 9800GX2 1024Mb PCIe2 HDCP
Hard Drive: (2 x) 64Gb OCZ 2.5" SATA II SSD Drive
RAID Card: Adaptec 3405 4xSata/SAS PCIe x4 Raid Controller
Storage HD: 1000Gb (1Tb) Hitachi Desktar7200 32mb E-SATA
Optical Drive 2: Lite-On LH-2B1S Blu-Ray SATA DVDR Black
Floppy Drive: Icy Box 16-in-1 internal/external USB Card reader
PCI card: KillerNIC M1 Network Accelerator PCI
PCIe Device: Terratec Cinergy 2400i DT DVB-T TV Tuner
Sound Card: Creative 7.1 X-FI Elite Pro
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition SP2 OEM
Secondary OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit DVD OEM
OS Extras: X-Image on 2.5" 120Gb, Vista opt. and Genesis CD

Tip away!

Thanks in advance

Spangly

Lord Sojar · May 30, 2008, 01:24 PM // 13:24

You are getting this?
http://www.vadim.co.uk/product27133/...QX+Intel-775G3

Well, that is basically a Voodoo PC. If you are indeed able to afford it, you basically will have a system more powerful than my workstation, which is just insane. You have my thumbs up for it, that is one mean PC. Love the dual OSes, but make sure they put on Windows XP Professional SP3, not Home SP2. That is the only thing I see wrong. Oh, and see if you can get a better PSU than Coolermaster, like Thermaltake, ABS, Corsair, or Silverstone. Otherwise, yeh, that rig is nuts.

Price if you don't mind me asking?

EDIT #1: Lian Li cases are great quality, but they are so plain looking.... even with that custom painting and such. I would go Thermaltake, but that is me.

EDIT #2: Go with the Enermax Galaxy 1000w PSU. Better quality. Oh, and their PCs are pretty awesome! Expensive as hell, but I would pay for type of customization if I didn't feel like doing it myself (which I probably wouldn't considering I am too lazy)

Spangly_boy · May 30, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Price if you don't mind me asking?

I've been quoted at £9,450 English money which although sounds a lot, isnt really as I've had a windfall on the lottery and want to gank out my Rig for the next couple of years. I looked at Vadim firstmost and foremost and thats where i took the build spec from, although I plan a specialist build through an external company.

I thought SP3 had been delayed, or am I behind the news a bit.

As for PSU, how's Enermax coping these days?

Oh, and do you think its viable to wait until Nvid's release they're GTX280 or press ahead with this.

Thanks Rahja. I remeber u when you were in Lazy! Good man and good times!

Spangly

Tamuril elansar · May 30, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

lian li cases look boring.

for the rest its way too good.

lordpwn · May 30, 2008, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spangly_boy

I thought SP3 had been delayed, or am I behind the news a bit.

There was a slight delay due to some Microsoft enterprise app failing to work with it, but it's been available in MS's download center for almost a month and will probably get pushed to users through automatic updates sometime during summer.

I've been using it for a few weeks and I can't really notice anything different apart from the Internet Connection Sharing feature failing to work. I needed an excuse to buy a router anyway.

Lord Sojar · May 30, 2008, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spangly_boy

I've been quoted at £9,450 English money which although sounds a lot, isnt really as I've had a windfall on the lottery and want to gank out my Rig for the next couple of years. I looked at Vadim firstmost and foremost and thats where i took the build spec from, although I plan a specialist build through an external company.

I thought SP3 had been delayed, or am I behind the news a bit.

As for PSU, how's Enermax coping these days?

Oh, and do you think its viable to wait until Nvid's release they're GTX280 or press ahead with this.

Thanks Rahja. I remeber u when you were in Lazy! Good man and good times!

Spangly

I am using a dev GTX 280 right now, and I am 100% serious when I say... WAIT FOR IT. This card is insanity, and I helped give birth to it. It is my baby... my precious.... precious, yessss...MY PRECIOUS!

Enermax's Galaxy series PSUs are totally insane. They have hybrid technology in them, as well as internal heatpipe dissipation. Go for it.

Also, I was looking through. They offer friggin Cellshock memory... that is NUTS. Get the Cellshock 2x1024 1860 DDR3 RAM, and get 2x order of it, for a total of 4GBs.

And also, for your storage drive, get the 750GB Samsung Spinpoint. That is seriously like the best drive in the universe.

Drop the Killer N1 network card (it will bottleneck that system.

Don't bother with a sound card, the onboard sound on the 780/790 nvidia chipsets is great. Creative's drivers for Vista... well they don't really work too well....ok, they just suck, period.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordpwn

There was a slight delay due to some Microsoft enterprise app failing to work with it, but it's been available in MS's download center for almost a month and will probably get pushed to users through automatic updates sometime during summer.

I've been using it for a few weeks and I can't really notice anything different apart from the Internet Connection Sharing feature failing to work. I needed an excuse to buy a router anyway.

Really? I noticed about a 10% performance boost in Guild Wars, about 5% in most other games. Seems to be a bit more optimized, and the enhanced security is a BIG +.

The Way Out · May 30, 2008, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

I am using a dev GTX 280 right now, and I am 100% serious when I say... WAIT FOR IT. This card is insanity, and I helped give birth to it. It is my baby... my precious.... precious, yessss...MY PRECIOUS!

Enermax's Galaxy series PSUs are totally insane. They have hybrid technology in them, as well as internal heatpipe dissipation. Go for it.

Also, I was looking through. They offer friggin Cellshock memory... that is NUTS. Get the Cellshock 2x1024 1860 DDR3 RAM, and get 2x order of it, for a total of 4GBs.

And also, for your storage drive, get the 750GB Samsung Spinpoint. That is seriously like the best drive in the universe.

Drop the Killer N1 network card (it will bottleneck that system.

Don't bother with a sound card, the onboard sound on the 780/790 nvidia chipsets is great. Creative's drivers for Vista... well they don't really work too well....ok, they just suck, period.

Really? I noticed about a 10% performance boost in Guild Wars, about 5% in most other games. Seems to be a bit more optimized, and the enhanced security is a BIG +.

I noticed about the same gain in GW. I love Lian-Li cases. They do look boring, however, they are friggin great to work in. Plus, they can stay cool like you wouldn't believe. Thermaltake cases are better looking, however, I have a softspot in my heart for the LianLi.

That system is better that two of our servers here. hahahaha

I like the idea of dual OSes on that rig, however, I would drop XP totally. I would go Vista64 and Fedora9 64. However, that is me... hahahaha. I would love to have that as a testing station... man... I need to upgrade soon. hahahahaha

Spangly_boy · May 30, 2008, 02:15 PM // 14:15

I am a windows fanboy, and truthfully have no experience of any other type of OS so I'll probably stay the way I am and request SP3 Prof Edition.

The GTX280 is basically the 9900 right? HOw come its gonna be such a step up?

Snograt · May 30, 2008, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Can't knock Lian-Li - they are like must-have cases amongst the modding community. Almost like a badge of pride.

You've just asked Rajah an awkward question - he's gonna come back with a wall of text that won't really tell you anything but will seriously make you want to wait for that GTX 280.

[Edit]Ye gods! It's £1100 just for the airbrushing!

The Way Out · May 30, 2008, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spangly_boy

I am a windows fanboy, and truthfully have no experience of any other type of OS so I'll probably stay the way I am and request SP3 Prof Edition.

The GTX280 is basically the 9900 right? HOw come its gonna be such a step up?

<----------------This guy laughs at the Windows TCP/IP stack

Tamuril elansar · May 30, 2008, 04:22 PM // 16:22

i'm not sure but i think the GT280 ain't the same as the 9900.

Edit: nvm, i need to learn to read wikipedia ><
edit 2: wikipedia says prices of GT260 are around 449 dollar(290euro) and GT280 will be 600 dollar(387euro), seems fair to me

Brianna · May 30, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

That's the Gem of Lian Li cases, simple, yet elegant.

That's why I bought mine, the PC-7B Plus II, it's a mid tower yes - but this isn't an extreme gaming machine either, if I was building an extreme system I'd go with a full tower. Unfortunately this is the only version (of its type, PC-60/65-B) that has 120mm intake and exhaust, so thus it didn't come with a stock window side panel, but that's why it's a mod case isn't it?

I'm going to order a new panel soon.

I think the Asus Striker II Extreme was the 790i version that had the water block on the north bridge, was it not? I read in a lot of reviews that it's leaky in a lot of cases.

But I'd just wait until the 280GTX as well, seems like it's a hefty card. Either way, that system looks pretty amazing none the less.

Spangly_boy · May 30, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31

This thing ere - is actually the crux of the machine I'm gonna spend some of my winnings on, alterations suggested so far include
SP3 of XP, Enermax Powersupply 1000W and Cellshock Memory.

I'm gonna hold par until the gtx280 arrives per se, although i am worried on the siz of the thing and whether the £1300 of cooling I'm buying will fit. I'm sure Vadim will address that for me at a price.

Do I ask for Stable overclocking (5-40%) or Extreme (10-50%)?

How is this not a Gaming rig? It will literally fly through space at warp 10k.

Btw, I confess I do not know the ins and outs of PC's but I can hold my own, This is just a Vanity object bought with Money I didn't have a month ago.

Also,

Do you guy's suggest linking to an LCD TV/ Plasma, or go for a 26" tft etc?

Brianna · May 30, 2008, 05:36 PM // 17:36

I'd say go with a monitor..LCD/Tft the likes. If you can afford it, one giant one at that, 26-28 inches would be intense. I'd be sitting back just to see everything, I think my 22 inch is still pretty huge right now.

And since it has water cooling, go to town on it if you want. I'm sure they're not going to let it leave the factory being unstable or running too hot.

Lord Sojar · May 30, 2008, 06:55 PM // 18:55

The GTX 280 is similar in architecture to the 9800 GPUs on 1 or 2 things, but the vast majority of the card are drastically different in areas spanning across the whole card.

65nm fabrication system, with yours' truly heading development on it.
Fully enabled CUDA coding
Integrated PhysX technology (GPGPU)
New memory architecture, with parallel caching and prefetch
Improved shader architecture
Triple SLi ready
Parallel stream processor architecture
Badassiture? *stares at NDA*

Seriously, I am using one right now... it is completely INSANE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spangly_boy

This thing ere - is actually the crux of the machine I'm gonna spend some of my winnings on, alterations suggested so far include
SP3 of XP, Enermax Powersupply 1000W and Cellshock Memory.

I'm gonna hold par until the gtx280 arrives per se, although i am worried on the siz of the thing and whether the £1300 of cooling I'm buying will fit. I'm sure Vadim will address that for me at a price.

Do I ask for Stable overclocking (5-40%) or Extreme (10-50%)?

How is this not a Gaming rig? It will literally fly through space at warp 10k.

Btw, I confess I do not know the ins and outs of PC's but I can hold my own, This is just a Vanity object bought with Money I didn't have a month ago.

Also,

Do you guy's suggest linking to an LCD TV/ Plasma, or go for a 26" tft etc?

Good man, thanks for listening to my advice, you won't regret it. I have some more advice for you. Spend the extra 100 for the TXST liquid cooling system. The memory is far more important than the mosfets. Also, don't forget to drop the Killer N1 network card, totally unnecessary.

As for overclocking... if they know what they are doing and warrant their systems, I don't see why you shouldn't go for Extreme OCing.

For the TV vs Monitor question. You definitely don't want a plasma... talk about artifacting and ghosting, lol. You want to go with a good TFT LCD monitor, buy it separately. Don't pay Vadim's markup. I assume you don't mind spending a lot of money, so here is what you absolutely should get:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...or%20-%20Black

or this one if you want the best picture of any PC monitor on the planet. Kiss your bank account goodbye though, lol.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...Glossy%20Black

Snograt · May 30, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28

You hear a whisper on the wind:

OLED is coming....

Lord Sojar · May 30, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snograt

You hear a whisper on the wind:

OLED is coming....

Not for quite a while longer. LED backlit monitors are amazing. I might get one later in the summer!

Admael · May 30, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01

OLED will probably be here in one more year, but I trust it'll cost more than that computer

And LED backlit is the next best thing to OLED and SED

Brianna · May 30, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03

OLED? SED? Never heard of it.

What's the advantages, what does it do?

Spangly_boy · Jun 18, 2008, 02:00 PM // 14:00

ok

So the new Card hits the market, and before i settle on a biuld I am faced with yet another dilemma in the ever changing environment.

Do I adapt my plans to include an Intel Skulltrail so I can get 2 QX9775 CPUs ?
Effectively running 8 x 3.2Ghz with 1600fsb? or is this indeed more overkill than what I already have planned?

Finally decided on 16Gb of Crucial (CL5) Memory.