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xigel · Mar 22, 2008, 12:23 AM // 00:23

Um yeah, E6850 sorry for the confusion, and thanks heaps for the advice. In my part of the world at least, the E6850 and the Q6600 are the same price - bout the equivalent of USD$320

In summary then:

1. Dual or quad work fine for most, but they don't work fine for others..
2. If I have to force one core, more processor speed (v.s no. of core's) is more useful (at least for the app I am forcing to one core).
3. But, more cores is better if I am running multiple apps.

Just on this future proofing concept, I only upgrade every 3 years or so (wives get grumpy if its too often) I was thinking that perhaps in a year there might be a lot more multi-threaded apps/games, and Vista might be fixed enough to use.

For those that questioned whether quad was necessary, you don't agree, or just don't rate the Q6600?

eggrolls · Mar 22, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

If you can get your hands on a E8400, it would be a better choice. If not, then get the E6850. I have a Q6600 myself, and I think it's a bit of a waste. Most of the time only 1 core is being used unless I deliberately run a game and some multi-threaded video encoding app in the background. Frankly, I don't see quad-cores being significantly faster than dual-cores in games in the next 3 years.

xigel · Mar 23, 2008, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Another question (and sorry this might be a stupid one). If I go for the e8400 do i have to have a x38 motherboard, or can I use a p35? But both options are all LGA775 right?

llsektorll · Mar 23, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by xigel

Um yeah, E6850 sorry for the confusion, and thanks heaps for the advice. In my part of the world at least, the E6850 and the Q6600 are the same price - bout the equivalent of USD$320

In summary then:

1. Dual or quad work fine for most, but they don't work fine for others..
2. If I have to force one core, more processor speed (v.s no. of core's) is more useful (at least for the app I am forcing to one core).
3. But, more cores is better if I am running multiple apps.

Just on this future proofing concept, I only upgrade every 3 years or so (wives get grumpy if its too often) I was thinking that perhaps in a year there might be a lot more multi-threaded apps/games, and Vista might be fixed enough to use.

For those that questioned whether quad was necessary, you don't agree, or just don't rate the Q6600?

nothing wrong with vista... people just like to whine and complain.... xp fails imo i don't see myself going back to that spyware/virus magnet....

lactatemike · Mar 23, 2008, 01:56 AM // 01:56

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Originally Posted by Admael

Oh I see the E6850 now, it's just a Conroe.

For that price, you're better off with a E8400, imo.

It could be your video card, it sounds like my old GTX when I play Crysis (it overheats under very high load). Poor MSI... I blamed them for a very long time... then they released the godly P7N Diamond, I drooled over it for days... but by then I already have bought EVGA's 780i... it's made of fail.

I really really hope you aren't saying that the NVIDIA 780i SLI board blows, because I *JUST* payed 500 bucks for that and a Q6700 quad chip. I haven't hooked anything up yet, though, because I need a tad more paycheck for the rest of this new pc. . .

Blackhearted · Mar 23, 2008, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

nothing wrong with vista... people just like to whine and complain.... xp fails imo i don't see myself going back to that spyware/virus magnet....

Windows is the most widely used OS. It doesn't matter which version you use, it's still going to have almost all of the malicious code written for it. Even IF vista has a bit less right now just give it time and it'll have as much as older versions of windows do. Then what will you do? go to linux or mac os?

Admael · Mar 23, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by lactatemike

I really really hope you aren't saying that the NVIDIA 780i SLI board blows, because I *JUST* payed 500 bucks for that and a Q6700 quad chip. I haven't hooked anything up yet, though, because I need a tad more paycheck for the rest of this new pc. . .

Then I hope you didn't buy EVGA's 780i. Company's build these boards to Nvidia's specifications, then slap their own sticker, heatsinks, box, and customer service/warranty on them.

I use EVGA's 780i, the Northbridge heatsink is badly constructed and badly placed. They issue you a Northbridge cooling fan which is louder a boat hitting rocks and sounds something like chipmunks gnawing away at nuts.

Depends on which brand you bought. I mean the MSI's P7N (uses 780i chipset) is brilliant, worth every dime. The ASUS Striker II Formula (780i chipset as well) is a close second.

EDIT: Here's what I'm talking about; MCP = Northbridge

eggrolls · Mar 23, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by xigel

Another question (and sorry this might be a stupid one). If I go for the e8400 do i have to have a x38 motherboard, or can I use a p35? But both options are all LGA775 right?

The E8400 would physically fit in any LGA775 motherboard, but not all LGA775 motherboards will work with the E8400.

The 3x series (p35, x38, and others) support the E8400. The 780i also does, along with certain 650i or 680i boards with the appropriate BIOS updates. If you don't care for SLI, then a p35 board is a good choice.

Brianna · Mar 23, 2008, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Admael

Then I hope you didn't buy EVGA's 780i. Company's build these boards to Nvidia's specifications, then slap their own sticker, heatsinks, box, and customer service/warranty on them.

I use EVGA's 780i, the Northbridge heatsink is badly constructed and badly placed. They issue you a Northbridge cooling fan which is louder a boat hitting rocks and sounds something like chipmunks gnawing away at nuts.

Depends on which brand you bought. I mean the MSI's P7N (uses 780i chipset) is brilliant, worth every dime. The ASUS Striker II Formula (780i chipset as well) is a close second.

EDIT: Here's what I'm talking about; MCP = Northbridge

Where did you get that temperature program?

Blackhearted · Mar 23, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Where did you get that temperature program?

It looks to me like that is Everest. A great system info app. Unfortunately it has no free version.

Admael · Mar 23, 2008, 03:28 AM // 03:28

It's Everest Ultimate, yes. There is no free, but there's a trial version. [link]
The trial version is very primitive, doesn't give you much. It's worth it to buy, at least to me, because they have great RAM benchmarking tools. (about 45 USD I think, I remember paying 60 USD for some other crap bundled)

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Originally Posted by xigel

Another question (and sorry this might be a stupid one). If I go for the e8400 do i have to have a x38 motherboard, or can I use a p35? But both options are all LGA775 right?

Both are LGA775, so they'll physically fit, no promises that the BIOS would reconize it, and I think ASUS already declared no 45nm support on their boards, but Gigabyte has a BIOS upgrade for it.

But the safest way is to either get the X38/X48 or 780i/790i Ultra.

Yichi · Mar 23, 2008, 03:32 AM // 03:32

My current setup =

AMD 64 x2 5600+ (2.8 gig dual core)
3gig ram
2x 8600gt vid cards
64 bit vista

No problems running guildwars at all with 80+ fps at full resolution and zero processor lag. Temperature never raises higher than 25 deg. celcius on speedfan.

tehshadowninjar · Mar 23, 2008, 03:48 AM // 03:48

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Well, a few things.

Guild Wars wasn't designed or optimized around Dual/Quad core processors, there for it has some problems..

Here's a few to start:

*The game may run in super slow/super speed.

*You may get bad FPS.

*The game can crash on you, or it can crash your whole entire system.

This is easily fixed by running ForceCore to make Guild Wars execute on only one processor.

Or, when Gw.exe is up in the processes tab, you go CTRL + ALT + Delete > Processes > Gw.exe > Right click > Set Affinity > Uncheck all CPU's except for one. Same thing that ForceCore does in a sense, except just manually.

Personally I've had some problems, severe lag, bad FPS with the game running on two cores, but never crashes. I run an AMD Dual Core right now.

I've noticed somewhat that Crashes are more common with Intel, and AMD just seems to get the bad lag bit.

Though running it with only one core doesn't really decrease performance much, and if it does then your 8800GT will back it up by far.

You'll be fine pretty much.

Hey, I was reading this and got intrigued, because I have always been wondering why my game ran so slow that I had to go window mode and the LOWEST graphics POSSIBLE. But I use Windows Vista, and I got all the way up to Set Affinity, and when I try to open that thingy, a window pops up and says "Operation failed. Access is denied." >< Help please.

Admael · Mar 23, 2008, 04:02 AM // 04:02

That's been a problem since Win2k, no one ever seems to know the solution or have an explanation to that phenomenon.

Edge Martinez · Mar 23, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by lactatemike

I really really hope you aren't saying that the NVIDIA 780i SLI board blows, because I *JUST* payed 500 bucks for that and a Q6700 quad chip. I haven't hooked anything up yet, though, because I need a tad more paycheck for the rest of this new pc. . .

From Tiger Direct? I think I got the same deal. Running Vista Ultimate. Works great so far. Are you doing SLI? I kept it to one 8800GT superclocked ed.

lactatemike · Mar 23, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admael

Then I hope you didn't buy EVGA's 780i. Company's build these boards to Nvidia's specifications, then slap their own sticker, heatsinks, box, and customer service/warranty on them.

I use EVGA's 780i, the Northbridge heatsink is badly constructed and badly placed. They issue you a Northbridge cooling fan which is louder a boat hitting rocks and sounds something like chipmunks gnawing away at nuts.

Depends on which brand you bought. I mean the MSI's P7N (uses 780i chipset) is brilliant, worth every dime. The ASUS Striker II Formula (780i chipset as well) is a close second.

EDIT: Here's what I'm talking about; MCP = Northbridge

That really sucks because I did. . . I might try to get an extra fan blowing right on that bridge to see if it can help.

Admael · Mar 23, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by lactatemike

That really sucks because I did. . . I might try to get an extra fan blowing right on that bridge to see if it can help.

It's really not that bad if you plan to run everything at stock (or little as 10% OC'ing). I have mine running from 33% to 45% OC'ing and it's really affecting my stability. I chose EVGA because I trust them, I'll wait for them to release the 780i FTW

lactatemike · Mar 26, 2008, 04:48 AM // 04:48

Yeah I got mine from TG. Really a great deal.

And I don't really plan on OC'ing at all, actually. The extent of my gaming is really this game of late. Might change coming up, of course. . .

I'm glad to hear it will work fine stock.

I haven't actually bought a card yet. I gotta do this thing one check at a time right now. I was going to just save and buy all at once but I knew that the deal on the board and pc was too nice to pass up. Turns out I was at least partially right. TG is currently offering the 6600 and 780 sli for more.

Kyosuki · Mar 26, 2008, 06:10 AM // 06:10

How can I know the name of my processor.
I know I got an Intel DualCore,but dont know wich one/brand/name
I'v checked System in Control Panel and it only says Intel[D]ualCore

gone · Mar 26, 2008, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by Kyosuki

How can I know the name of my processor.
I know I got an Intel DualCore,but dont know wich one/brand/name
I'v checked System in Control Panel and it only says Intel[D]ualCore

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