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Commander Ryker · May 17, 2009, 07:13 PM // 19:13

Moved to tech.

Bill Clinton · May 17, 2009, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

Moved to tech.

Thanks, i guess xD.

fusa · May 17, 2009, 08:33 PM // 20:33

It's possible to have two mice and two mouse cursors. There's an old utility, http://cpnmouse.sourceforge.net/ that does this, also Microsoft has a SDK kit for developers to write programs to do this. I think I have used the cpnmouse before, at least I did use a utility that allowed 2 cursors, 2 mice and one computer. It worked, but you had to constantly regain focus for the other mouse. So if your friend wanted to use a skill, you would lose control on your Guild Wars, then when you regained control, he would lose control.

You MIGHT be able to use something like virtual box, install an OS and Guild Wars on a virtual machine. It will grab the mouse, but I'm not sure how it would interact with cpnmouse. It might grab both, or when the virtual os looses focus, it might react like every other program and just not respond.

Fril Estelin · May 17, 2009, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Technically, what you need is a program that can assign a duo keyboard+mouse to one GW, while the other duo keyboard+mouse is assigned to the other GW. It's easy to have 2 duos working, but the "program assignment part" is the hard one (an OS like Windows only treats one program at a time for whatever keyboard+mouse you use). I have no idea if this exists, but a quick google points to software allowing you to have multiple devices but not assign them independently to programs.

Bill Clinton · May 17, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by fusa

It's possible to have two mice and two mouse cursors. There's an old utility, http://cpnmouse.sourceforge.net/ that does this, also Microsoft has a SDK kit for developers to write programs to do this. I think I have used the cpnmouse before, at least I did use a utility that allowed 2 cursors, 2 mice and one computer. It worked, but you had to constantly regain focus for the other mouse. So if your friend wanted to use a skill, you would lose control on your Guild Wars, then when you regained control, he would lose control.

You MIGHT be able to use something like virtual box, install an OS and Guild Wars on a virtual machine. It will grab the mouse, but I'm not sure how it would interact with cpnmouse. It might grab both, or when the virtual os looses focus, it might react like every other program and just not respond.

Hmm... interesting. It seems as though I was underestimating how difficult this would be.
If one person is constantly loosing control, I dont think that would be very good for this.

I wonder, does anyone know of any other decent forums I could also ask about this? I mean one that isnt guild-wars related.
I mean, I gotta figure - some other people must have been thinking something like this before, right?
Perhaps theres a community of people out there who know more about this issue...? (Not that anyone here is useless, ofcourse)

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Technically, what you need is a program that can assign a duo keyboard+mouse to one GW, while the other duo keyboard+mouse is assigned to the other GW. It's easy to have 2 duos working, but the "program assignment part" is the hard one (an OS like Windows only treats one program at a time for whatever keyboard+mouse you use). I have no idea if this exists, but a quick google points to software allowing you to have multiple devices but not assign them independently to programs.

Yeah, in all my time with computers I have never heard or seen anything like what is being asked here. I guess I kind of just assumed it was because not many people would have use for it.... but i'm begining to see its more a technical issue, now.

Sorry to double post, but i've just found this interesting thread:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/...7825_10_0.html

They are essentially talking about the same thing as us, and a few applications have been suggested that prove it is possible, they're just out of date now... or in a foreign language.

I'll keep editing this post with any further findings.

Interesting, looks like team player may be what we're looking for.
Watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE5vA2wPYkA) and at 2:06, do you see what I see?:
Multi-application focus?

Fril Estelin · May 18, 2009, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

Sorry to double post, but i've just found this interesting thread:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/...7825_10_0.html

They are essentially talking about the same thing as us, and a few applications have been suggested that prove it is possible, they're just out of date now... or in a foreign language.

I thought the applications they mention where all about simply connecting 2 keyboard+mice without the ability to assign them to different applications. It seems that JetWay (you have to google it since the link from the thread doesn't work) has (or rather "had") such an application but you have to buy their hardware:
http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2025

The other applications they mention all allow you to have 2 sets of keyboard+mice, but you have to manually switch applications as fusa explained.

Bill Clinton · May 18, 2009, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

I thought the applications they mention where all about simply connecting 2 keyboard+mice without the ability to assign them to different applications. It seems that JetWay (you have to google it since the link from the thread doesn't work) has (or rather "had") such an application but you have to buy their hardware:
http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2025

The other applications they mention all allow you to have 2 sets of keyboard+mice, but you have to manually switch applications as fusa explained.

If you think about it, the mice don't actually have to be assigned to any application, since the apllication they're clicking in will be the one they affect.
But yes, the problem remains an issue for the keyboard.
Also, check out my youtube link above, i'm sure thats showing multi application focus. But after downloading the software ( a small programme) I cant see any form of options page to turn such a feature on.

EDIT: Just found another thread/comment thingy about multiple active windows. http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Multi...tive_20Windows Again, they're talking about what we need. But I dont think I can see any substantial turnups from it... The Amigo thing requires hotkeying between applications, It seems.

EDIT2: I've been using ''teamplayer'' for a while now. Its pretty good for the dual mouse thing, very easy to set up. But it seems to mess up right clicking within guildwars, makes the camera go completely crazy. Perhaps some different sofware would be better...

tenetke · May 18, 2009, 02:06 PM // 14:06

People have been doing this in linux for at least the past 3 years. I don't think you can get this to work under microsoft because it takes editing the actual operating system. With linux, well thats easily done, but yeah not so much on ms.

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The oldest version I found was a basic hack from 05
http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/
Essentially it is easy for linux because if we want we can have multiple copies of the current session going. That doesn't explain it right, its sort of like imagine you wanted to have windows vista on screen 1, now you have a separate copy of windows vista on screen 2. That gets around the whole problem of where the click action goes. You can find how to do this on numerous sites, I wouldn't exactly suggest going into irc about it for two reasons. The first is that you seem to be primarily a windows user, and unless you find someone super nice those people aren't going to hold your hand. Two if you start asking about this in the linux chats you first get told to read the #$%#ing man pages. I mean, it is a great community and I love it myself, but things are a bit different. To my knowledge, and it is limited with windows os, you won't be able to do what you want inside of the windows environment.

Now that I think about it, why bother with a multiterm setup, you could always just use a multiple xserver, or open two versions of wine and use a dual input setting. Doesn't seem that difficult, might even be better to just trash the entire keyboard mouse setup and have a controller interface setup. I think you can get them now with 12 buttons 2 axis etc. Then just edit your /dev input settings.

Anyway I wish you luck though. Maybe you can find a work around for it, like I said my knowledge of windows is rather limited.

Bill Clinton · May 18, 2009, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by tenetke

People have been doing this in linux for at least the past 3 years. I don't think you can get this to work under microsoft because it takes editing the actual operating system. With linux, well thats easily done, but yeah not so much on ms.

edit:

The oldest version I found was a basic hack from 05
http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/
Essentially it is easy for linux because if we want we can have multiple copies of the current session going. That doesn't explain it right, its sort of like imagine you wanted to have windows vista on screen 1, now you have a separate copy of windows vista on screen 2. That gets around the whole problem of where the click action goes. You can find how to do this on numerous sites, I wouldn't exactly suggest going into irc about it for two reasons. The first is that you seem to be primarily a windows user, and unless you find someone super nice those people aren't going to hold your hand. Two if you start asking about this in the linux chats you first get told to read the #$%#ing man pages. I mean, it is a great community and I love it myself, but things are a bit different. To my knowledge, and it is limited with windows os, you won't be able to do what you want inside of the windows environment.

Now that I think about it, why bother with a multiterm setup, you could always just use a multiple xserver, or open two versions of wine and use a dual input setting. Doesn't seem that difficult, might even be better to just trash the entire keyboard mouse setup and have a controller interface setup. I think you can get them now with 12 buttons 2 axis etc. Then just edit your /dev input settings.

Anyway I wish you luck though. Maybe you can find a work around for it, like I said my knowledge of windows is rather limited.

Thanks for your comment, thoughyou lost me a bit with the 'multiterm setup' and 'xserver' part!

Just btw, I have created a thread on the tech support forums. Its a lengthy post, but It details everything I've found out and what I need help with. I'm hoping someone there may be able to help me as well. (http://www.techsupportforum.com/gami...ml#post2143116) so give it a read if you wish.
I'd still like help from you guys, though, as you'll know a lot more about the guild wars related problems (such as why my mouse makes my camera go crazy when using TeamPlayer, and such). So please keep brainstorming and throwing ideas out there!

Yasuda · Jul 12, 2009, 01:43 PM // 13:43

First, sorry to kick the topic.. But I think I found some interesting programs.
I found these 3 programs which could make it possible:

Aster: Tried the program out (Needs Windows XP). It just splits your computer as if you had two different computers running, with the same programs and stuff. It was easy to install en setup, everything worked.. Except for the mouse on the second moniter. So I gave up on this program.

BeTwin: This program was even easier to install and setup the monitors, keyboards and mice. You get to login on 2 different accounts on Windows. Everything worked fine (I'm using it at the moment). But again, one problem. Direct3D isn't possible on the second monitor. So this program is useless, unless someone comes up with a workaround.

SoftXpand: This program seems to be the most advanced of the three. When I tried to install it (on Windows XP 32bit) it didn't even start installing. I just got an error. So maybe someone else could try it? I read somewhere they're coming up with a new version (Which supports Windows 7 too) soon. So might check it out later.

I just found out that there's a newer version of Aster. I installed 2.5, but there seems to be a 4.5 too. So I'm gonna try that one.

EDIT: Just tried out Aster 4.5, it works. Moniters, keyboards, mice and even the wireless internet connection worked after a bit of work. So I loaded Guild Wars two times. And it worked. I had control over both at the same time. But after a few seconds the graphics got messed up and eventually the games freezed. This could be because my graphics card ain't good enough (Geforce 8500GT). Maybe it'll work with a better graphics card or maybe two graphics cards..?

jackers1234 · Jul 13, 2009, 12:27 PM // 12:27

try dropping the graphics settings down in the clients. the 8500 is not the most powerful card, so it will most likely struggle with 2 clients on 2 monitors.

it may also be aster struggling with what you are attempting to run.

Yasuda · Jul 18, 2009, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by jackers1234

try dropping the graphics settings down in the clients. the 8500 is not the most powerful card, so it will most likely struggle with 2 clients on 2 monitors.

it may also be aster struggling with what you are attempting to run.

Well, I tried dropping the settings. I put both games down to 800x600 with lowest possible graphic settings. That didn't make any difference at all.. It's not the program either I think.. I finally got SoftXpand to work, the program works all right, but whenever I try to load Guild Wars two times the graphics fail. (I'll make a screenshot sometime) Maybe two graphics cards work? Can't see any other solution atm..