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moriz · Jun 26, 2010, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by I Pwn Brownies

Go look at every single MMO/RPG trailer and pre-game videos companies release for them, and tell me the game DOES look like the videos...They don't, kthx.

I would guess an average/above-average gaming PC. An actual video card, 4GB RAM, 2.6~ GHz Dual-Core Processor. Any Laptop that costs $400 now, basically.

every GW2 video released so far consists entirely of ingame captures, with the obvious exception of the moving concept art portions in the first trailer. as such, the warrior videos are EXACTLY what GW2 looked like at the time the videos were made, and it has shown a significant increase in image quality over GW1, even over earlier videos such as the first and races trailers.

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Originally Posted by Lord Sojar

You realize the specs I gave are the current official specs yes?

That is, minus my speculation based on resolution scaling.

source? not that you aren't trustworthy, but i'd have to see it myself to believe this.

Lord Sojar · Jun 26, 2010, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by moriz

source? not that you aren't trustworthy, but i'd have to see it myself to believe this.

Really not sure how to show you an email from a friend at nVidia who will remain confidential for obvious reasons... @_@

moriz · Jun 27, 2010, 12:02 AM // 00:02

well then, those aren't really "official" specs, since they haven't been released yet, right?

Lord Sojar · Jun 27, 2010, 05:42 AM // 05:42

I will not tolerate petty arguing and trolling in Technician's Corner. Stay on topic, and do not insult each other. Argue with facts; argue against another person's idea or concept, not against their person. Argumentum ad hominem is not acceptable!

Back on topic....

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Originally Posted by I Pwn Brownies

Go look at every single MMO/RPG trailer and pre-game videos companies release for them, and tell me the game DOES look like the videos...They don't, kthx.

I would guess an average/above-average gaming PC. An actual video card, 4GB RAM, 2.6~ GHz Dual-Core Processor. Any Laptop that costs $400 now, basically.

Moriz was correct, in actuality. The Elementalist and Warrior skill montages were released using the GW2 graphics engine. That is exactly how the game will look at release. It may even look slightly better, thanks to optimization, higher resolution textures, anti aliasing and anisotropic filtering being added or greatly improved in very late development.

In regards to your second point, just...no. A $400 dollar laptop will barely be able to run GW2, much less run it at a decent resolution or have any chance of running it with many effects enabled.

You have severely overestimated the performance of a budget computer. A $400 laptop is an ultra portable or netbook. Those type of laptops can barely run Guild Wars 1... forget 2. They use CULV CPUs and either integrated graphics from Intel (which are sub par for any form of 3D gaming barring direct console ports, and even those don't run at high settings) or ultra mobile solutions (and the majority of those are from nVidia in the form of ION/2 or Tegra2, both of which lack enough power to play Guild Wars at high resolution or settings; again, forget Guild Wars 2 in that equation.

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Originally Posted by moriz

well then, those aren't really "official" specs, since they haven't been released yet, right?

I don't think you are questioning their officialdom at this point, but merely their finality? If I'm wrong, feel free to point out why nVidia's in house testing used to determine the required processing power and driver optimizations that will eventually appear on the retail box and official GW2 website wouldn't be "official".

Slightly offtopic again....

If you'd like to argue this further, feel free. I welcome healthy debate, but will not tolerate personal insults or ad hominem bullshit, period.

moriz · Jun 27, 2010, 06:16 AM // 06:16

oh, i'm not really doubting nvidia's in-house testing, it's just that it seems a bit higher than what i'd expect. GTX260 and HD4850 are still considered high end hardware nowadays.

curiously enough, all the radeon cards quoted are of lower performance categories. is this because of DX10.1 being used?

Lord Sojar · Jun 27, 2010, 06:43 AM // 06:43

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Originally Posted by moriz

oh, i'm not really doubting nvidia's in-house testing, it's just that it seems a bit higher than what i'd expect. GTX260 and HD4850 are still considered high end hardware nowadays.

curiously enough, all the radeon cards quoted are of lower performance categories. is this because of DX10.1 being used?

No no, you missed what I've been saying. I said the cards recommended after the minimum and recommended ones I provided are my own estimates. They are not official.

And that might be the likely case, since the ATi cards have a slight edge when DX10.1 is used.

Elder III · Jun 27, 2010, 01:57 PM // 13:57

as an owner of a pair of 4850's, I think I'm pretty familiar with their performance, just based on the game play videos we have seen thus far, I'd not be surprised if a single 4850 would be hard pressed to do very much over 60FPS with max settings, 4xAA & 16X AF @ 1080p - of course most people do not play at that resolution and don't notice a difference with or without AA, so I suspect that lower settings and resolution would not take much over a 4600 series to run at acceptable framerates....

It's hard to make objective statements about what you think a game will perform like if you don't include the resolution and settings you want to play at - huge difference in what you need to max something out at 1280x1024 with no AA/AF and what you need to max it out at 1920x1200 with all the eye candy cranked up.

Quaker · Jun 27, 2010, 02:37 PM // 14:37

^^^ Didn't I say that way back at the start?

And, I'll re-phrase it - there's no official definition of the terms "run smoothly" and "mid-range computer", but I can guarantee, based on the responses in this and other threads, that they have a different meaning to "gamers/enthusaists" than they do to normal people.

Elder III · Jun 27, 2010, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Quaker

^^^ Didn't I say that way back at the start?

yep, I checked and you did indeed, but it's ok I'm not above rewording things that my betters have already posted.

End · Jun 27, 2010, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Elder III

as an owner of a pair of 4850's, I think I'm pretty familiar with their performance, just based on the game play videos we have seen thus far, I'd not be surprised if a single 4850 would be hard pressed to do very much over 60FPS with max settings, 4xAA & 16X AF @ 1080p - of course most people do not play at that resolution and don't notice a difference with or without AA, so I suspect that lower settings and resolution would not take much over a 4600 series to run at acceptable framerates....

I am hoping that GW2 will handle tri-sli much better then it does as it stands I get higher fps taking a video card out(lent my video card to a friend for a little bit) then I do with tri-sli

Showtime · Jun 29, 2010, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by End

I am hoping that GW2 will handle tri-sli much better then it does as it stands I get higher fps taking a video card out(lent my video card to a friend for a little bit) then I do with tri-sli

Doubt you'll see an improvement with 3 cards even if it worked right cuz it's overkill with 2. 60 fps is all you need. Doesn't matter if you average 200fps cuz you cant see the difference between that and averaging 90fps. Also everyone's eyes are different. If you are happy with the way it looks, don't upgrade just to keep up. Same goes with tvs.

I have dual core @ 2.6ghz with an ati 4850 and can run the game smoothly on max settings at 1080. Heck I was getting decent quality on a an opty @2ghz with an old ati 9800np vid card @ 1650x1050.

Before upgrading or building a new rig...
1st thing you want to do is figure out the rez you will be gaming at. I recommend trying to go 1650 wide or better. Avoid 1920x1080 monitors (i have one) if you can and get a 1920 x 1200 instead. You'll appreciate being able to see further down. That being said, don't buy now for a future game unless you have to buy now. Parts only go down unless something funny is happening (like when chip companies artificially kept the price of ram high several years ago). I am sure what I currently have will play the gw2 @ 1080 decently. Won't have all the eye candy turned on, but it should be fine to play through. I don't need upgrade for anything else right now so I won't do it now. I do like things to look nice and with all those new effects, I might have to. But I'll wait till the game comes out and upgrade just what I need to get it look right.