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Ensign · Mar 01, 2005, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogDevourer

If a stupid post can get an insightful reply, then it's not entirely useless.

"There are no stupid questions, only inquisitive idiots."

There's nothing wrong with asking 'stupid' questions. That's how you learn, by identifying what you don't understand and trying to understand that. No problems with that - you'll even find me answering 'stupid' questions in that forum sometimes.

No, the problem, as THX mentions, is stupid answers. Then the conversation is not about simple questions that people might not understand - then it's about fighting through piles of misinformation to actually learn something. If you don't know the answer to a question, *don't post*.

This is a strategy site, not a high-level strategy site. That means there's a place for both basic and advanced strategy discussion - I don't want to discourage the former just because I'm not as interested in it. I just think that if someone is derailing threads by consistently posting way over their heads, the moderating staff should send them a polite suggestion that they spend some more time in the shallow end of the pool.

Peace,
-CxE

Loviatar · Mar 01, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02

what every person is forgetting it seems it that a spammer will get no less than FIVE WARNINGS that they are acting out of line

after 5 warnings it would look to me that it was being done on purpose not an accident

if the board will handle it you might have off topic posts not count toward your post count to cut spam (it has worked elsewhere)

Devil's Dictionary · Mar 01, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

if the board will handle it you might have off topic posts not count toward your post count to cut spam (it has worked elsewhere)

How would the board know if the post was offtopic? If you imply it could be done manually, then I think the moderators have more important things to do than check every single post on the forum.

March Hare · Mar 01, 2005, 11:16 PM // 23:16

[color=black]I could see that it might not count as much, but eliminating it all together might just be giving a spammer a loaded gun. Off Topic is self explanatory, but I don't want 12 pages of stuff just because it doesn't apply to your count. I could understand that a little more leeway though.[/color]

[color=black]Additional: Hadn't though of that, I don???t know if there is a separate count or if it is even possible[/color]

Loviatar · Mar 01, 2005, 11:35 PM // 23:35

i was refering to the *off topic* forum which by definition is non GW related not somethng off topic in the info threads

sorry for not being clear

edit

it is possible at least with IPB to cut off any separate forum from being counted and it cut off topic forun to a fraction of what it was

but the 5 warnings then gone should also do the trick

does this board have a warn level (only the admin/mod/user can see it) that could be activated?

Nova · Mar 02, 2005, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpukilla

Cracking down on spam and idiocy is great ... just be careful not to alienate new members or new players who don't know any better; I'd rather educate them and bring them up to speed than have them leave instead. Theres also a fine line between different ideas and idiocy. Remember fallout on guild-hall? Do his posts deserve to be removed or are they valid discussion?

That would be the reason for the 5 warning.

Whosa Skylore · Mar 02, 2005, 01:13 AM // 01:13

i just had an idea, you know how theirs the post counter, well maybe you should have a spot on the homepage where everyweak you put up the person who has had the most intelligant and good posts. so that way everyone would push to writing good posts instead of writing pointless posts

thought that might work well

jaynan · Mar 02, 2005, 01:35 AM // 01:35

There is a great deal of strategy in this game, and a great lack of documentation shipping with the pre-order package. The vast majority of people that read the site are looking for information on the game, but not necessarily for the depth of information that is at this site. Implementing a new player area (the 'shallow end' mentioned way up) to handle the basics would be a good addition. I don't think I missed one on the site, did I? It would keep some of the noise off the advanced threads. Take the questions that are about basic game play and create a forum for it. All we need is a shepherd for the lost.
As far as the intentional trolls and spammers go, lose them sooner than later. We have a great resource in our Alpha testing 'Gurus'. If the loss of a few of the less secure members is what it takes to keep the site focused I'm all for it.

Oh, look! My post count went up by ONE!

Avatin · Mar 02, 2005, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Admin could add a 'report off-topic' icon on the left part of every message, next to the 'report bad post' one, available only to members, and showing a little visible counter itself. When a member click that icon, the counter is raised by one, and when a predetermined maximum is reached (5? 10? 20? different members) an alert is automatically sent to an admin who has to decide wheter that post is off-topic or not.

Simple, convenient, and not a big PHP effort.

I suggest admin use private messages to warn the culprit. Nor delete, nor edit nor add new post with critics. Ask the person gently to delete or to edit her/his warned message.

____________________________________________
This is a guru follower opinion, not absolute truth

ratatass · Mar 02, 2005, 05:15 AM // 05:15

Well, I'm almost a little afraid of posting - but I think I have something valid to say;

1. The reason I started using this website was because of the focus in the posts. This forum seemed to have fewer post with more content.

2. When we have people like Saus, CxE, Spooky and other "quality" posters, posting and responding it increases the value i get from reading the forums.

3. VN Boards , and now even Gwonline are falling to SPAM and more SPAM. VNBoards is particulary awful at this point. Gwonline have some active moderators, that barely is hanging in there.The Guild Hall is also falling more and more into the useless post category. I think Sausalt%^$# Rex...sorry I have to just say Saus..to complicated for me now...was drowned in the Guild Hall testing builds, by endless and mindless posters. DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN HERE!

4. The writeup outside the forum in this website are sophisticated and very helpful. I think the Moderators should strive for deleting posts that have been covered in those write ups.

5. Delete posts like "What is Judges Insight", What is a rune ? "Build me a nice monk build",etc...kill it early, warn and ban those guys quickly...you guys have to keep it focused.

6. I do agree, that sometimes it can feel intimedating not having so many posts, but maybe promote to Senior Dwellers or whatever based more on evaluation and gut feeling about the posters.

7. I love the layout of the site and the quality in the forums. Please keep it as it is...get rid of mindless stuff...NO I am not to anal retentive (well a little)

8. I usually post in other forums, but because of the quality here I haven't had to. So if you are a poster that has a hunch about the answer, but is not sure - just leave it and don't post untill you see some of the Moderators answer...if they are slow about it --- POST!

Anyway, I enjoy the site - keep it together!!

edit: 1 got a POST!

Ratatass

Nova · Mar 02, 2005, 06:03 AM // 06:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whosa Skylore

i just had an idea, you know how theirs the post counter, well maybe you should have a spot on the homepage where everyweak you put up the person who has had the most intelligant and good posts. so that way everyone would push to writing good posts instead of writing pointless posts

thought that might work well

That is an awesome idea. That would motivate people to make meaningfull intelligent post. Unlike the opposite, pointless and rediculously supid.

Devil's Dictionary · Mar 02, 2005, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Meaningful and intelligent people need no motivation, Nova. You should not post because you want to get on the main page. You should post because you have something to say. If you try to speak when you have nothing to say, it would only make matters worse.

Nova · Mar 02, 2005, 06:09 AM // 06:09

Dude, I am agreeing with Whosa that it would motivate people that make poinltess post to make ones that have a purpose. I know people who make good posts don't need motivation. Hell, I don't I haven't gotten any warnings. Most of my post are pretty darn long. And if they aren't they aren't extremly short eitehr and they have a reason and are on topic. Don't attack me for no reason thank you. Not at all would be nice to.....

Inde · Mar 02, 2005, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealDecoy

It's a noble goal, but something about it doesn't seem right. I'm sure that the Guru mod team will do a great job of determining who is spamming and who isn't, but I think it's inevitable that someone is going to get punished when they don't deserve to be. As for cracking down on forum idiocy, no offense intended, we all can't be Cicciros or Ensigns. Sometimes smart people just need to deal with others who aren't as smart.

Two points here.

1. Five warnings. If we get it wrong five times, we do not even deserve to run a website

2. No one said you have to be a genius to post. What THX explicitly said that if your post is nothing but spam [ie no content and does nothing but consume bandwidth for everyone], you will be warned. Do it five times, and you will be banned. Pretty simple

Sausaletus Rex · Mar 02, 2005, 05:06 PM // 17:06

I feel compelled to weigh in here myself. I wish to re-emphasize that we're not starting a witch hunt here. We're not trying to drive anyone with an IQ under 112 off our boards. We're not trying to discourage people from posting. We're not divying up our posters by their worth and casting the rejects aside. Far from it.

What we're trying to do is to discourage people from posting off-topic. Either a post adds to a discussion or it doesn't. Either it's on the topic or it's off the topic. We like the former. We hate the latter. Because off-topic posts do nothing but waste people's time. They add nothing, they make a thread more difficult to read, and that, more than anything will discourage people from posting. If views and opinions aren't being given the due respect and consideration then why should people bother to post them? Why will someone wade through the off-topic fluff to find the posts that are actually on topic and relevant to what they were looking for in the first place? The answer, to us, is that they won't. They'll tire of it. They'll give up and look elsewhere and they either won't share their knowledge or they won't find the knowledge they were looking for. Either option is unacceptable to us in trying to fashion a place where knowledge and information is shared freely and openly.

As has been said, we're not putting each and every post to some sort of test to see if it's "worthy" or "intelligent". That's just not our job and it's far too subjective for our tastes. We are holding posts to the test that they remain on-topic and that's something that's been in our guidelines all along. What we're doing now is to realize that people have been ignoring our guidelines and to remind them that there will be consequences for that.

We like our boards, we like our posters, we think the vast majority of you are doing a great job and making our site much better than it would be without you. We don't want to drive anyone away. What we want to do is to make sure that your views, your opinions, your questions, your insights are heard and respected. And we're doing so by cutting down on the fluff and clutter that only clouds things. That's it, nothing more.

Keep doing what you're doing. If you're doing wrong, you'll hear from us. Otherwise, you're probably doing just fine. Just know that we're watching and trying to make sure that everything stays fine.

Whosa Skylore · Mar 02, 2005, 11:20 PM // 23:20

i see you guys took away the post counter

well i still think my idea is brilliant

but this auta keep all the spamming down, god everyday look at my PMs going ohh god i know today im getting "the letter" lol, but im impressed how quick you guys did that, i love this site more and more everyday

Keramon · Mar 03, 2005, 03:18 AM // 03:18

I for one am very happy to see this, I am of the camp less of the more informative is much better than pages and pages of useless crap. One of the problems with becomming much more popular and read, is that you attract some trolls who like to post to see their name "in lights" ... Hope we can keep that under control here and be more helpful and informative rather than irrelevant and useless.

GWGuru = Active Discussions and informative information

So lets keep it that way.

Nova · Mar 03, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33

Great job with it Rex. This site is great. I love the Questions and Answers forum. It lives up to its name well. That and this one, the Riverside Inn are the only two I go to. And I wondered that too that the post counter was gone. I dind't out that as the most important thing but it was cool for me to see, 'Wow, I have already posted that much?! AWESOME! I lvoe this site!' You know? No matter thought. Still love it. Good idea to keep the title that went along with the counter. Like "Quiet Traveler" and such.

KEEP UP THE GREAT WROK GWGURU ADMINS!

stumpy · Mar 03, 2005, 05:50 AM // 05:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealDecoy

It's a noble goal, but something about it doesn't seem right. I'm sure that the Guru mod team will do a great job of determining who is spamming and who isn't, but I think it's inevitable that someone is going to get punished when they don't deserve to be. As for cracking down on forum idiocy, no offense intended, we all can't be Cicciros or Ensigns. Sometimes smart people just need to deal with others who aren't as smart.

I have to agree with this. I have been and seen this happen many times. But I have to say We are humans. Humans make mistakes. If you get booted, you get booted. It sucks when it happens ... <<< knows personally ... but there has to be a line. For instance who really gives a damn about my whole post i just wrote. It could be flagged as spam for not really saying anything. I'm glad the counter has been removed ... ty to the webmaster. It was definately an encouragement to spam. Anyways if ya boot me then ya boot me ... <<<< please don't boot me!

THX · Mar 03, 2005, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Well, I don't believe people should suddenly be afraid to post. As we are using a 5 strike system, chances are those who continue to break the rules after 4 warnings are doing so because they want to and not by mistake.

Mar 01, 2005, 11:16 PM // 23:16	#24
March Hare Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wonderland Guild: Knights of Ascalon Profession: W/Me	Off topic count [color=black]I could see that it might not count as much, but eliminating it all together might just be giving a spammer a loaded gun. Off Topic is self explanatory, but I don't want 12 pages of stuff just because it doesn't apply to your count. I could understand that a little more leeway though.[/color] [color=black]Additional: Hadn't though of that, I don???t know if there is a separate count or if it is even possible[/color] Last edited by March Hare; Mar 01, 2005 at 11:18 PM // 23:18.. Reason: death at the door's comment

Mar 01, 2005, 11:35 PM // 23:35	#25
Loviatar Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Feb 2005	i was refering to the off topic forum which by definition is non GW related not somethng off topic in the info threads sorry for not being clear edit it is possible at least with IPB to cut off any separate forum from being counted and it cut off topic forun to a fraction of what it was but the 5 warnings then gone should also do the trick does this board have a warn level (only the admin/mod/user can see it) that could be activated? Last edited by Loviatar; Mar 01, 2005 at 11:41 PM // 23:41..

Mar 02, 2005, 05:15 AM // 05:15	#30
ratatass Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Mexico	Well, I'm almost a little afraid of posting - but I think I have something valid to say; 1. The reason I started using this website was because of the focus in the posts. This forum seemed to have fewer post with more content. 2. When we have people like Saus, CxE, Spooky and other "quality" posters, posting and responding it increases the value i get from reading the forums. 3. VN Boards , and now even Gwonline are falling to SPAM and more SPAM. VNBoards is particulary awful at this point. Gwonline have some active moderators, that barely is hanging in there.The Guild Hall is also falling more and more into the useless post category. I think Sausalt%^$# Rex...sorry I have to just say Saus..to complicated for me now...was drowned in the Guild Hall testing builds, by endless and mindless posters. DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN HERE! 4. The writeup outside the forum in this website are sophisticated and very helpful. I think the Moderators should strive for deleting posts that have been covered in those write ups. 5. Delete posts like "What is Judges Insight", What is a rune ? "Build me a nice monk build",etc...kill it early, warn and ban those guys quickly...you guys have to keep it focused. 6. I do agree, that sometimes it can feel intimedating not having so many posts, but maybe promote to Senior Dwellers or whatever based more on evaluation and gut feeling about the posters. 7. I love the layout of the site and the quality in the forums. Please keep it as it is...get rid of mindless stuff...NO I am not to anal retentive (well a little) 8. I usually post in other forums, but because of the quality here I haven't had to. So if you are a poster that has a hunch about the answer, but is not sure - just leave it and don't post untill you see some of the Moderators answer...if they are slow about it --- POST! Anyway, I enjoy the site - keep it together!! edit: 1 got a POST! Ratatass Last edited by ratatass; Mar 02, 2005 at 05:38 AM // 05:38..

Mar 02, 2005, 05:06 PM // 17:06	#35
Sausaletus Rex Death From Above Join Date: Dec 2004	I feel compelled to weigh in here myself. I wish to re-emphasize that we're not starting a witch hunt here. We're not trying to drive anyone with an IQ under 112 off our boards. We're not trying to discourage people from posting. We're not divying up our posters by their worth and casting the rejects aside. Far from it. What we're trying to do is to discourage people from posting off-topic. Either a post adds to a discussion or it doesn't. Either it's on the topic or it's off the topic. We like the former. We hate the latter. Because off-topic posts do nothing but waste people's time. They add nothing, they make a thread more difficult to read, and that, more than anything will discourage people from posting. If views and opinions aren't being given the due respect and consideration then why should people bother to post them? Why will someone wade through the off-topic fluff to find the posts that are actually on topic and relevant to what they were looking for in the first place? The answer, to us, is that they won't. They'll tire of it. They'll give up and look elsewhere and they either won't share their knowledge or they won't find the knowledge they were looking for. Either option is unacceptable to us in trying to fashion a place where knowledge and information is shared freely and openly. As has been said, we're not putting each and every post to some sort of test to see if it's "worthy" or "intelligent". That's just not our job and it's far too subjective for our tastes. We are holding posts to the test that they remain on-topic and that's something that's been in our guidelines all along. What we're doing now is to realize that people have been ignoring our guidelines and to remind them that there will be consequences for that. We like our boards, we like our posters, we think the vast majority of you are doing a great job and making our site much better than it would be without you. We don't want to drive anyone away. What we want to do is to make sure that your views, your opinions, your questions, your insights are heard and respected. And we're doing so by cutting down on the fluff and clutter that only clouds things. That's it, nothing more. Keep doing what you're doing. If you're doing wrong, you'll hear from us. Otherwise, you're probably doing just fine. Just know that we're watching and trying to make sure that everything stays fine. __________________ In my day, we didn't have virtual reality. If a one-eyed razorback barbarian warrior was chasing you with an ax, you just had to hope you could outrun him.

Mar 03, 2005, 03:18 AM // 03:18	#37
Keramon Rogue Agent Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Surfers Paradise	I for one am very happy to see this, I am of the camp less of the more informative is much better than pages and pages of useless crap. One of the problems with becomming much more popular and read, is that you attract some trolls who like to post to see their name "in lights" ... Hope we can keep that under control here and be more helpful and informative rather than irrelevant and useless. GWGuru = Active Discussions and informative information So lets keep it that way. __________________ Keramon :cool:

Mar 01, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02	#22
Loviatar Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Feb 2005	what every person is forgetting it seems it that a spammer will get no less than FIVE WARNINGS that they are acting out of line after 5 warnings it would look to me that it was being done on purpose not an accident if the board will handle it you might have off topic posts not count toward your post count to cut spam (it has worked elsewhere)

Mar 02, 2005, 01:13 AM // 01:13	#27
Whosa Skylore Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: in your closet...er....i mean Guild: Dragon Assassins Profession: W/Mo	i just had an idea, you know how theirs the post counter, well maybe you should have a spot on the homepage where everyweak you put up the person who has had the most intelligant and good posts. so that way everyone would push to writing good posts instead of writing pointless posts thought that might work well

Mar 02, 2005, 01:35 AM // 01:35	#28
jaynan Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Right here.	There is a great deal of strategy in this game, and a great lack of documentation shipping with the pre-order package. The vast majority of people that read the site are looking for information on the game, but not necessarily for the depth of information that is at this site. Implementing a new player area (the 'shallow end' mentioned way up) to handle the basics would be a good addition. I don't think I missed one on the site, did I? It would keep some of the noise off the advanced threads. Take the questions that are about basic game play and create a forum for it. All we need is a shepherd for the lost. As far as the intentional trolls and spammers go, lose them sooner than later. We have a great resource in our Alpha testing 'Gurus'. If the loss of a few of the less secure members is what it takes to keep the site focused I'm all for it. Oh, look! My post count went up by ONE!

Mar 02, 2005, 02:09 AM // 02:09	#29
Avatin Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Qu??bec, Canada	Admin could add a 'report off-topic' icon on the left part of every message, next to the 'report bad post' one, available only to members, and showing a little visible counter itself. When a member click that icon, the counter is raised by one, and when a predetermined maximum is reached (5? 10? 20? different members) an alert is automatically sent to an admin who has to decide wheter that post is off-topic or not. Simple, convenient, and not a big PHP effort. I suggest admin use private messages to warn the culprit. Nor delete, nor edit nor add new post with critics. Ask the person gently to delete or to edit her/his warned message. ____________________________________________ This is a guru follower opinion, not absolute truth

Mar 02, 2005, 06:05 AM // 06:05	#32
Devil's Dictionary Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Presumed missing... Profession: Me/N	Meaningful and intelligent people need no motivation, Nova. You should not post because you want to get on the main page. You should post because you have something to say. If you try to speak when you have nothing to say, it would only make matters worse.

Mar 02, 2005, 06:09 AM // 06:09	#33
Nova Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CA Guild: Lords Of Kryta (LoK) Profession: R/Me	Dude, I am agreeing with Whosa that it would motivate people that make poinltess post to make ones that have a purpose. I know people who make good posts don't need motivation. Hell, I don't I haven't gotten any warnings. Most of my post are pretty darn long. And if they aren't they aren't extremly short eitehr and they have a reason and are on topic. Don't attack me for no reason thank you. Not at all would be nice to.....

Mar 02, 2005, 11:20 PM // 23:20	#36
Whosa Skylore Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: in your closet...er....i mean Guild: Dragon Assassins Profession: W/Mo	i see you guys took away the post counter well i still think my idea is brilliant but this auta keep all the spamming down, god everyday look at my PMs going ohh god i know today im getting "the letter" lol, but im impressed how quick you guys did that, i love this site more and more everyday

Mar 03, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33	#38
Nova Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CA Guild: Lords Of Kryta (LoK) Profession: R/Me	Great job with it Rex. This site is great. I love the Questions and Answers forum. It lives up to its name well. That and this one, the Riverside Inn are the only two I go to. And I wondered that too that the post counter was gone. I dind't out that as the most important thing but it was cool for me to see, 'Wow, I have already posted that much?! AWESOME! I lvoe this site!' You know? No matter thought. Still love it. Good idea to keep the title that went along with the counter. Like "Quiet Traveler" and such. KEEP UP THE GREAT WROK GWGURU ADMINS!

Mar 03, 2005, 09:24 PM // 21:24	#40
THX Before all else, be armed. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada	Well, I don't believe people should suddenly be afraid to post. As we are using a 5 strike system, chances are those who continue to break the rules after 4 warnings are doing so because they want to and not by mistake.