Vampiric Bow String - Guild Wars Forums

Barinthus · Jan 09, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

I did a search and got tons of threads from Price Check, Buy, and Sell forums.

So I apologize if this have been discussed to death already.

I was wondering how would a ranger use a Vampiric Bow String? Why would a ranger want one?

Many thanks!

Savio · Jan 09, 2006, 06:03 AM // 06:03

Search tip: you can choose which forums to search in, so you could have just picked Q&A for example.

Vampiric means more damage, plus a nominal amount of health back to you. This effect is increased with multiple-hit skills, like Dual Shot and Barrage.

Barinthus · Jan 09, 2006, 06:20 AM // 06:20

Thanks Savio.

Same principle as zealous string then?

Savio · Jan 09, 2006, 06:36 AM // 06:36

Pretty much; Zealous is for energy, Vampiric for damage.

Lapin Diabolique · Jan 09, 2006, 07:04 AM // 07:04

A big reason to get a vampiric mod is that the extra damage it deals cannot be reduced by any means, so long as your attack hits. It cuts right through armor, and ignores spells like Reversal of Fortune and Protective Spirit. I believe this property extends to any life steal effect, including Necromancer spells like Vampiric Touch/Gaze.

A minor downside of life steals is that the transfer amount cannot be magnified in any way. For example, you won't steal more life if you attack a Frenzy-using warrior.

VGJustice · Jan 09, 2006, 07:42 AM // 07:42

Wait wait wait, are you guys saying that a Vampiric weapon adds damage to each hit (1-5 depending on the quality of the Vamp mod)? I thought it just did normal damage and then gave the player some health.

*comences a search on Vamp weapons*

Kamatsu · Jan 09, 2006, 07:50 AM // 07:50

VGJustice - Vampric weapons add damage over the normal damage, and this damage is transferred to you as health.

Thus say you have a +5 Vamp Bow that does .. letssay 20 damage to a foe on a normal hit.. when it hits it will do the 20 damage PLUSE the additional 5 damage and then you will recieve +5 health back (ie the 5 bonus damage the vamp string inflicted).

VGJustice · Jan 09, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

kamatsu, thanks for the info. I couldn't find anything with a search (go figure).

I suddenly have a craving for a Vampiric Short Bow *smirk*

Former Ruling · Jan 09, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

Zealous is better for all propose ranging. vampiric is used in quick spikes.

vampiric isn't a smart choice to keep up though. Your energy is noticably more limited than with a zealous string on, and keeping the vamp out when not attaking is pure idiotic.

chippxero · Jan 09, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGJustice

I suddenly have a craving for a Vampiric Short Bow *smirk*

Collectors shortbow 15%^50 + 5/1vamp mod + Barrage = alot of health back per shot up to 30hp.

jray14 · Jan 09, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

Vampiric DOES NOT add any extra damage. Thorough user tests documented in this forum and over at GWONLINE (sorry, don't have links handy) have proven this. Most players assume otherwise because when you are being hit with a vampiric weapon you see negative numbers for "Life Stealing." But that is just a display "quirk."

Epinephrine · Jan 09, 2006, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by jray14

Vampiric DOES NOT add any extra damage. Thorough user tests documented in this forum and over at GWONLINE (sorry, don't have links handy) have proven this. Most players assume otherwise because when you are being hit with a vampiric weapon you see negative numbers for "Life Stealing." But that is just a display "quirk."

Interesting claim, and easy to check. Since life stealing bypasses armour and isn't damage you should be able to verify this by looking at the health of an enemy under Iron Mist for example, and simply ping away rapidly at said enemy, looking for any damage. If the life steal works you'll see 5 damage increments - test vs a low level foe (low health) using quickshot/TF to ensure you get enough arrows out to see the damage if it exists.

unienaule · Jan 09, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Life Stealing goes off before damage. How do i know? I have a 5/1 Vamp Bow. I have attacked mobs with invisible amounts of hp remaining, and recieved between 1-4 health from the life stealing, the creature died, and I never saw any damage numbers at all. This leads to the conclusion that life stealing is independent from damage.

Former Ruling · Jan 09, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Unienaule's claim totally makes jray's claim invalid.

I'm more inclined to beleive the ladder.

Lasher Dragon · Jan 09, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by chippxero

Collectors shortbow 15%^50 + 5/1vamp mod + Barrage = alot of health back per shot up to 30hp.

Actually it'll max out at 35 health per barrage shot, assuming there are enough enemies in the scope of barrage.

Barinthus · Jan 09, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Sweet. So many weapon possiblities for a ranger!!

Sab · Jan 10, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

Is there a conclusive experiment showing that Vampiric-modded weapons indeed do more damage, and also showing the amount of extra damage they do? I see no reason why it would be designed that way (why should Vampiric steal health and do additional damage? The former is the only thing I expect it to do), so I'm inclined to disbelieve that rumour unless there are some numbers backing this up.

Kamatsu · Jan 10, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

LuxA - To be honest, I'm not sure. I have a Vamp weapon and when I use it I see the +x healing but no extra damage to the enemy (ie I see 1 damage number). However doing a bit of research it seem's that people claim it does add extra damage, but you only see the extra +x damage if your on the receiving end of the hit - which means the only way to test it would be to PvP and run into each other in the arena's/tomb's/GvG/etc and then have the person being attacked monitor (and take Screenshots of) the damage number's they see.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...hlight=Vampric
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...hlight=Vampric

Thats just doing 1 search through Q&A forums though. There might be better threads/information to be found - I just did a quick search after all

Vermilion Okeanos · Jan 10, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15

Well, it is possible to have the theory of that the 5 life steal actually is part of your weapon. For example: 15-28 bow becomes a 10-23 +5 bow under vamperic influence.

If that hold true, vamperic bow will run out of place quite soon.

Although I kind of doubt this theory, just a quick thought.

Jan 09, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01	#1
Barinthus Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Guild: (TRUE) Profession: R/Me	Vampiric Bow String I did a search and got tons of threads from Price Check, Buy, and Sell forums. So I apologize if this have been discussed to death already. I was wondering how would a ranger use a Vampiric Bow String? Why would a ranger want one? Many thanks!

Jan 09, 2006, 06:03 AM // 06:03	#2
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	Search tip: you can choose which forums to search in, so you could have just picked Q&A for example. Vampiric means more damage, plus a nominal amount of health back to you. This effect is increased with multiple-hit skills, like Dual Shot and Barrage. __________________ People are stupid.

Jan 09, 2006, 06:36 AM // 06:36	#4
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	Pretty much; Zealous is for energy, Vampiric for damage. __________________ People are stupid.

Jan 09, 2006, 07:04 AM // 07:04	#5
Lapin Diabolique Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: Me/Mo	A big reason to get a vampiric mod is that the extra damage it deals cannot be reduced by any means, so long as your attack hits. It cuts right through armor, and ignores spells like Reversal of Fortune and Protective Spirit. I believe this property extends to any life steal effect, including Necromancer spells like Vampiric Touch/Gaze. A minor downside of life steals is that the transfer amount cannot be magnified in any way. For example, you won't steal more life if you attack a Frenzy-using warrior. Last edited by Lapin Diabolique; Jan 09, 2006 at 07:07 AM // 07:07..

Jan 09, 2006, 06:20 AM // 06:20	#3
Barinthus Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Guild: (TRUE) Profession: R/Me	Thanks Savio. Same principle as zealous string then?

Jan 09, 2006, 07:42 AM // 07:42	#6
VGJustice Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tyria, cappin' ur bosses Guild: Boston Guild [BG] Profession: R/W	Wait wait wait, are you guys saying that a Vampiric weapon adds damage to each hit (1-5 depending on the quality of the Vamp mod)? I thought it just did normal damage and then gave the player some health. comences a search on Vamp weapons

Jan 09, 2006, 07:50 AM // 07:50	#7
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	VGJustice - Vampric weapons add damage over the normal damage, and this damage is transferred to you as health. Thus say you have a +5 Vamp Bow that does .. letssay 20 damage to a foe on a normal hit.. when it hits it will do the 20 damage PLUSE the additional 5 damage and then you will recieve +5 health back (ie the 5 bonus damage the vamp string inflicted).

Jan 09, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31	#8
VGJustice Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tyria, cappin' ur bosses Guild: Boston Guild [BG] Profession: R/W	kamatsu, thanks for the info. I couldn't find anything with a search (go figure). I suddenly have a craving for a Vampiric Short Bow smirk

Jan 09, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36	#9
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Zealous is better for all propose ranging. vampiric is used in quick spikes. vampiric isn't a smart choice to keep up though. Your energy is noticably more limited than with a zealous string on, and keeping the vamp out when not attaking is pure idiotic.

Jan 09, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24	#11
jray14 Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: NC, USA Guild: Ohm Mahnee Pedmay [Hoom]	Vampiric DOES NOT add any extra damage. Thorough user tests documented in this forum and over at GWONLINE (sorry, don't have links handy) have proven this. Most players assume otherwise because when you are being hit with a vampiric weapon you see negative numbers for "Life Stealing." But that is just a display "quirk."

Jan 09, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34	#13
unienaule I dunt even get "Retired" Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	Life Stealing goes off before damage. How do i know? I have a 5/1 Vamp Bow. I have attacked mobs with invisible amounts of hp remaining, and recieved between 1-4 health from the life stealing, the creature died, and I never saw any damage numbers at all. This leads to the conclusion that life stealing is independent from damage.

Jan 09, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38	#14
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Unienaule's claim totally makes jray's claim invalid. I'm more inclined to beleive the ladder.

Jan 09, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29	#16
Barinthus Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Guild: (TRUE) Profession: R/Me	Sweet. So many weapon possiblities for a ranger!!

Jan 10, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39	#17
Sab Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005	Is there a conclusive experiment showing that Vampiric-modded weapons indeed do more damage, and also showing the amount of extra damage they do? I see no reason why it would be designed that way (why should Vampiric steal health and do additional damage? The former is the only thing I expect it to do), so I'm inclined to disbelieve that rumour unless there are some numbers backing this up.

Jan 10, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51	#18
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	LuxA - To be honest, I'm not sure. I have a Vamp weapon and when I use it I see the +x healing but no extra damage to the enemy (ie I see 1 damage number). However doing a bit of research it seem's that people claim it does add extra damage, but you only see the extra +x damage if your on the receiving end of the hit - which means the only way to test it would be to PvP and run into each other in the arena's/tomb's/GvG/etc and then have the person being attacked monitor (and take Screenshots of) the damage number's they see. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...hlight=Vampric http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...hlight=Vampric Thats just doing 1 search through Q&A forums though. There might be better threads/information to be found - I just did a quick search after all

Jan 10, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15	#19
Vermilion Okeanos Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005	Well, it is possible to have the theory of that the 5 life steal actually is part of your weapon. For example: 15-28 bow becomes a 10-23 +5 bow under vamperic influence. If that hold true, vamperic bow will run out of place quite soon. Although I kind of doubt this theory, just a quick thought.