Grasping Darkness - Enchant Removal? - Guild Wars Forums

Studio Ghibli · Feb 10, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Howdy,

While fighting in the UW, whenever my party comes up against the Grasping Darkness, our 55hp monk is unable to stand against them because of.. we're not even sure why, to be honest. She'll have her enchantments up, casts prot spirit--and then it's removed, and she dies.

There's no Dying Spirit or whatever, 'cause we've cleared those. Unless, that is, they're hidden and respawn when you active the quest.

If that's the case, then we've simply missed them each and every time.

Anyone?

Inureface · Feb 10, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Well, in the ToA UW, graspings use rend enchants. I've never seen a grasping in the ToPK UW.

Ruvaen · Feb 10, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Inureface

Well, in the ToA UW, graspings use rend enchants. I've never seen a grasping in the ToPK UW.

Dying nightmares use Rend Enchantments in UW.

Could it be that you guys didn't cast SV to keep your monk from getting all of their energy sucked out when the Grasping Darknesses came?

Gli · Feb 10, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

They also daze and interrupt.

Pandora's box · Feb 11, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Personally I think enchant removements should be very rare because enchantements are vital, especially to monks. Unfortunately, due to balancing, enchantment removal has become something very comon, which makes using enchantments very rare... Dont think this was meant to be when GW started. I sincerely hope Arenanet will reconsider this.

Studio Ghibli · Feb 11, 2006, 12:05 AM // 00:05

I agree, actually.

Kind of upset me that we were given this particular strategy to play with--and then suddenly had it nerfed. Sure, I don't mind a little enchantment removal here or there, but when it becomes a staple to high-level areas, when I can't be bothered to even bring it because it'll be constantly removed.. o_O

Oh, well.

In any case, I hadn't been using Sympathetic Visages on him at that point, no. I started using it on him, and it seemed to resolve the problem. How come, though, the energy drain effects protective spirit? And even if he had zero energy, wouldn't his maintained enchantments remain?

Ruvaen · Feb 11, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

Well, you have to remember that the 55 monk pretty much has to spam PS and Breeze in order to stay alive. No energy = no PS = instadeath

Hamstein · Feb 11, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Prot Spirit isn`t a maintained spell.If the monk has no energy to recast(Grasping`s use "Fear Me") then it all goes tits up,as you know.

Studio Ghibli · Feb 11, 2006, 04:46 AM // 04:46

Well, yeah, except our 55hp monk was reporting prot being removed five seconds into casting it, and, you know, dying at that point.

Was just surprising, is all.

Wrath Of Dragons · Feb 11, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07

you are in the tombs right? anything with a monk primary or secondary will have its enchants reoved by their attacks. its not a spell or anything

VGJustice · Feb 11, 2006, 05:11 AM // 05:11

Um, IIRC, the Grasping Darkness does strip enchants if they hit a monk. Or rather, the skill Fingers of Chaos strips enchants when it hits a Monk.

And, yeah, that causes random status ailments when it hits a Warrior, it's a garanteed hit against a Ranger, they lose a hex if it hits a Necro.... can't remember what it does to a Mesmer off hand.

But, I think I know why the massive enchantment stripping has become so prominent in the game and especially in the higher level areas: A.Net is trying to make the PvE portion of the game comparable to the PvP portion. It's quite common to see enchantments Rended or Shattered in PvP, so it goes without saying that it's gonna happen in PvE eventually.

Also, I do believe that most of the enchant hate was added to the new Tombs specifically to thwart the 55 Monk. Just an oppinion, mind.

Hockster · Feb 11, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

In the actual Underworld, not the Tombs area, the Graspings shout Fear Me, which removes 3 energy per foe. A monk low on energy then can be in trouble if tanking 6 or more.

It's Dying Nightmares that Rend Enchants.

darkMishkin · Feb 11, 2006, 10:23 AM // 10:23

Do they have any interrupts? Or is that just the ataaxe?

Arduin · Feb 11, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by darkMishkin

Do they have any interrupts? Or is that just the ataaxe?

They got two, as far as I know:

Distracting Blow: Swipe your weapon at the target, dealing no damage but disrupting the target's current action (and the actions of foes adjacent to your target).

Skull Crack {elite}: If this attack hits while target foe is casting a Spell, that foe is Dazed for 15 seconds (truly annoying skill imo)

Kakumei · Feb 11, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

I agree, actually.

Kind of upset me that we were given this particular strategy to play with--and then suddenly had it nerfed. Sure, I don't mind a little enchantment removal here or there, but when it becomes a staple to high-level areas, when I can't be bothered to even bring it because it'll be constantly removed.. o_O

Oh, well.

In any case, I hadn't been using Sympathetic Visages on him at that point, no. I started using it on him, and it seemed to resolve the problem. How come, though, the energy drain effects protective spirit? And even if he had zero energy, wouldn't his maintained enchantments remain?

55 monks are not staples. They are a choice given, but Anet isn't going to just roll over and make it easy for you.

Stealthy Trapper · Feb 11, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15

First of all protective spirit is also an enchantment, so when something uses rend enchantment it will get stripped. Something that I am surprised nobody has stated in this forum is that, in the New UW at the Tomb of Primevil Kings there is a chained soul that pops up behind your team alot ( you know the one that only takes a couple of shots to kill) that casts rend enchantments as soon as he pops up. Then he has health degeneration that kills him off. Sometimes people don't even know he is there. As soon as you see a red blip appear on your map turn around and go kill him off, you will see he will already be in the middle of casting rend enchantment. This is why a 55hp monk can't last in the new UW.

Mistress Nocturnal · Feb 11, 2006, 02:13 PM // 14:13

int he old UW
grasping darknesses dont scatter/rend enchants

they did interrupt ur monk thats all

he should take care of their arm movements and then it souldnt be a problem

int the new UW its mostly the lost soul as mentioned above and finger of chaos which is a stance and removes enchants from every char except mesmers

Avarre · Feb 11, 2006, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by Hockster

In the actual Underworld, not the Tombs area, the Graspings shout Fear Me, which removes 3 energy per foe. A monk low on energy then can be in trouble if tanking 6 or more.

Actually I think they remove 4 energy, with 16 tactics.

Only thing i can think of is that fearme got them... or that their prot was interrupted while recasting and they didnt notice.

kvndoom · Feb 11, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15

If you are monk primary or secondary, fingers will remove a monk enchantment. There's nothing you can really do to stop it. It's not a spell it's a monster skill, so taking a 55HP monk down there isn't the best idea in the world. You get 2 or 3 Graspings around you and all your enchants will be gone, and you won't have time or energy to put them back on before you're kissing dirt.

demon dantes · Feb 11, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

well seeings how he was talking about toa uw i will challenge the guys post about tombs uw. no the enchantments will not get removed with fingers of chaos use archane echo and sb u have like a 75 sec sb lol none of the enchantments get removed we use the build regularlly

Feb 10, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51	#1
Studio Ghibli Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Gaelic Storm	Grasping Darkness - Enchant Removal? Howdy, While fighting in the UW, whenever my party comes up against the Grasping Darkness, our 55hp monk is unable to stand against them because of.. we're not even sure why, to be honest. She'll have her enchantments up, casts prot spirit--and then it's removed, and she dies. There's no Dying Spirit or whatever, 'cause we've cleared those. Unless, that is, they're hidden and respawn when you active the quest. If that's the case, then we've simply missed them each and every time. Anyone?

Feb 11, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15	#16
Stealthy Trapper Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Guild: Knights Assassins [Kill] Profession: R/	First of all protective spirit is also an enchantment, so when something uses rend enchantment it will get stripped. Something that I am surprised nobody has stated in this forum is that, in the New UW at the Tomb of Primevil Kings there is a chained soul that pops up behind your team alot ( you know the one that only takes a couple of shots to kill) that casts rend enchantments as soon as he pops up. Then he has health degeneration that kills him off. Sometimes people don't even know he is there. As soon as you see a red blip appear on your map turn around and go kill him off, you will see he will already be in the middle of casting rend enchantment. This is why a 55hp monk can't last in the new UW. Last edited by Stealthy Trapper; Feb 11, 2006 at 01:18 PM // 13:18..

Feb 11, 2006, 02:13 PM // 14:13	#17
Mistress Nocturnal Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: N/Mo	int he old UW grasping darknesses dont scatter/rend enchants they did interrupt ur monk thats all he should take care of their arm movements and then it souldnt be a problem int the new UW its mostly the lost soul as mentioned above and finger of chaos which is a stance and removes enchants from every char except mesmers Last edited by Mistress Nocturnal; Feb 11, 2006 at 02:15 PM // 14:15..

Feb 10, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10	#2
Inureface Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Asian in Lousiana Guild: The Endbringers Profession: R/Me	Well, in the ToA UW, graspings use rend enchants. I've never seen a grasping in the ToPK UW.

Feb 10, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24	#4
Gli Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005	They also daze and interrupt.

Feb 11, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00	#5
Pandora's box Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Netherlands Profession: Mo/W	Personally I think enchant removements should be very rare because enchantements are vital, especially to monks. Unfortunately, due to balancing, enchantment removal has become something very comon, which makes using enchantments very rare... Dont think this was meant to be when GW started. I sincerely hope Arenanet will reconsider this.

Feb 11, 2006, 12:05 AM // 00:05	#6
Studio Ghibli Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Gaelic Storm	I agree, actually. Kind of upset me that we were given this particular strategy to play with--and then suddenly had it nerfed. Sure, I don't mind a little enchantment removal here or there, but when it becomes a staple to high-level areas, when I can't be bothered to even bring it because it'll be constantly removed.. o_O Oh, well. In any case, I hadn't been using Sympathetic Visages on him at that point, no. I started using it on him, and it seemed to resolve the problem. How come, though, the energy drain effects protective spirit? And even if he had zero energy, wouldn't his maintained enchantments remain?

Feb 11, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29	#7
Ruvaen Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: CA Profession: W/	Well, you have to remember that the 55 monk pretty much has to spam PS and Breeze in order to stay alive. No energy = no PS = instadeath

Feb 11, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31	#8
Hamstein Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Zealand Guild: Teh Fellowship	Prot Spirit isn`t a maintained spell.If the monk has no energy to recast(Grasping`s use "Fear Me") then it all goes tits up,as you know.

Feb 11, 2006, 04:46 AM // 04:46	#9
Studio Ghibli Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Gaelic Storm	Well, yeah, except our 55hp monk was reporting prot being removed five seconds into casting it, and, you know, dying at that point. Was just surprising, is all.

Feb 11, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07	#10
Wrath Of Dragons Burninate Stuff Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Mexico Profession: E/Mo	you are in the tombs right? anything with a monk primary or secondary will have its enchants reoved by their attacks. its not a spell or anything

Feb 11, 2006, 05:11 AM // 05:11	#11
VGJustice Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tyria, cappin' ur bosses Guild: Boston Guild [BG] Profession: R/W	Um, IIRC, the Grasping Darkness does strip enchants if they hit a monk. Or rather, the skill Fingers of Chaos strips enchants when it hits a Monk. And, yeah, that causes random status ailments when it hits a Warrior, it's a garanteed hit against a Ranger, they lose a hex if it hits a Necro.... can't remember what it does to a Mesmer off hand. But, I think I know why the massive enchantment stripping has become so prominent in the game and especially in the higher level areas: A.Net is trying to make the PvE portion of the game comparable to the PvP portion. It's quite common to see enchantments Rended or Shattered in PvP, so it goes without saying that it's gonna happen in PvE eventually. Also, I do believe that most of the enchant hate was added to the new Tombs specifically to thwart the 55 Monk. Just an oppinion, mind.

Feb 11, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08	#12
Hockster Banned Join Date: Jul 2005	In the actual Underworld, not the Tombs area, the Graspings shout Fear Me, which removes 3 energy per foe. A monk low on energy then can be in trouble if tanking 6 or more. It's Dying Nightmares that Rend Enchants.

Feb 11, 2006, 10:23 AM // 10:23	#13
darkMishkin Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: Mo/	Do they have any interrupts? Or is that just the ataaxe?

Feb 11, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15	#19
kvndoom Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Communistwealth of Virginia Guild: Uninstalled Profession: W/Mo	If you are monk primary or secondary, fingers will remove a monk enchantment. There's nothing you can really do to stop it. It's not a spell it's a monster skill, so taking a 55HP monk down there isn't the best idea in the world. You get 2 or 3 Graspings around you and all your enchants will be gone, and you won't have time or energy to put them back on before you're kissing dirt.

Feb 11, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28	#20
demon dantes Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ny Guild: Iyanden Wraithguard Profession: Mo/Me	well seeings how he was talking about toa uw i will challenge the guys post about tombs uw. no the enchantments will not get removed with fingers of chaos use archane echo and sb u have like a 75 sec sb lol none of the enchantments get removed we use the build regularlly