PvP guilds vs PvE guilds: whats the major difference? - Guild Wars Forums

Tarn Blackhail · Mar 15, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

i know the obvious difference, pve is not pvp, pvp is player vs player, BUT... what is the difference in what pve guilds look for and pvp. which is a better guild to join, and what types of players look for which... i dont see a reason to isolate yourself from one or the other by joining a strictly pvp, or pve guild... so what is the benefeit in joining any pvp or pve only guild, unless it is to find others with that intrest, in which case okay, that makes sence. the only guild i can see truly making sence is a pvp only guild, but if youre pve as well as pvp, what is the benefeit of some of the guilds that are all pve, with little or no pvp experience...?

English Warrior · Mar 15, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

most of the time id say they both do both just they do one more than the other.

Yoshikuni Mahsu · Mar 15, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

PvE guilds do good in PvE

PvP guilds do good in PvP AND PvE.
Yeah, I went there...

Tearz1993 · Mar 15, 2008, 10:26 PM // 22:26

PvE guilds think they're good because they can beat the computer with ursan

PvP guilds just think everyone else is bad

Depends which you like more

Tarn Blackhail · Mar 16, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

lol. okay, so what if theres a guild thats not concidered PVP or PVE focuses, what if they just focus on teamwork and player skill and improvement, encouraging members to be the best at whatever they like to do, and helping members to improve their skills, characters, ect.... what are they concidered...?

Richardt · Mar 16, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Tarn, I would say PvX. Most guilds dabble in the PvX, but in order to do high end PvP or PvE the guild usually focuses on one.

The big difference between the two types of guilds are primarily reflected in the differences between PvP and PvE.

But both types share the same common ground-both are about finding the right builds for the situation.

Tearz1993 · Mar 16, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

PvX is the best if you don't want to become high-end in a specific area because it lets people experiment with what they like in GW.

Tarn Blackhail · Mar 16, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

okay, thanks. thats interesting to know. Where is a forum on here that PVX guilds can advertise? or are they just supposed to use ither of the two forums provided (pvp/pve guild recruiting).?

Yoshikuni Mahsu · Mar 16, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Richardt

But both types share the same common ground-both are about finding the right builds for the situation.

No.

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Joe Fierce · Mar 17, 2008, 05:54 AM // 05:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

PvE guilds do good in PvE

PvP guilds do good in PvP AND PvE.
Yeah, I went there...

you just made me have an lol'gasm, i'm primarily a pvx type player and i excell rather well in both general fields, ask me friends, but i couldn't even begin to count the numerous times that i've had pvp guildies request me to aide them on a pve mission or elite and they are completely ignorant to it as if i'm screaming at them in chinese algebra. so yes, there are pvpers that are good at pve i'll give you that, but a majority of peeps who play primarily pvp don't know whats going on in pve whatsoever. this is not an attack on your posting itself but a simply statement made in response to the generalized ignorance that is elitist d*****bags that generally overrun pvp, not saying that you are one, but thats just generally the way it is.

-joe_fierce

p.s. this is not an attack on pvp or pvpers but on pvp elitism, so, before you go all ignorant and page spam me please consider the deeper meaning in my statements.

Tarn Blackhail · Mar 17, 2008, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

you just made me have an lol'gasm, i'm primarily a pvx type player and i excell rather well in both general fields, ask me friends, but i couldn't even begin to count the numerous times that i've had pvp guildies request me to aide them on a pve mission or elite and they are completely ignorant to it as if i'm screaming at them in chinese algebra. so yes, there are pvpers that are good at pve i'll give you that, but a majority of peeps who play primarily pvp don't know whats going on in pve whatsoever. this is not an attack on your posting itself but a simply statement made in response to the generalized ignorance that is elitist d*****bags that generally overrun pvp, not saying that you are one, but thats just generally the way it is.

-joe_fierce

p.s. this is not an attack on pvp or pvpers but on pvp elitism, so, before you go all ignorant and page spam me please consider the deeper meaning in my statements.

true. There are alot of pvp players who know jack crap abt pve.. on the same note, there are players who pve and know jack crap about pvp... then theres always those who play the game, really have no idea whats going on and are forced to learn through months of heartache and frustration. that brings up another point... bah nevermind, another post for another day. what function do people who totally suck at guildwars have? lol.

JR · Mar 17, 2008, 12:42 PM // 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

you just made me have an lol'gasm, i'm primarily a pvx type player and i excell rather well in both general fields, ask me friends, but i couldn't even begin to count the numerous times that i've had pvp guildies request me to aide them on a pve mission or elite and they are completely ignorant to it as if i'm screaming at them in chinese algebra. so yes, there are pvpers that are good at pve i'll give you that, but a majority of peeps who play primarily pvp don't know whats going on in pve whatsoever. this is not an attack on your posting itself but a simply statement made in response to the generalized ignorance that is elitist d*****bags that generally overrun pvp, not saying that you are one, but thats just generally the way it is.

There is a difference between needing help because you don't know what to do, and needing help because you are bad at the game.

Tosha · Mar 17, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08

I have been in both... been in a PvE guild for 18 months, but switched to a PvP one when I wanted to get into PvP... I would say the main difference is that PvE guilds have more time to chat

(i mean on guildchat, not ventrilo or TS) Though I have found a fairly chatty PvP guild now, there is still a lot less chatting going on. But you cannot stand still in PvP to type a few sentences like you can in PvE.
Go for the PvX alliance, with PvE and PvP guilds, always a lot of fun

Tarn Blackhail · Mar 17, 2008, 01:26 PM // 13:26

thats where alliances come into play. you could integrate many different types of guilds into one alliance in order to stay in your guild youre currently in, and just participate in the activities of the other guilds' in youre alliance to fit youre gaming needs of the day, while having fun and aiding others in their quest for victory.

Joe Fierce · Mar 17, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by JR

There is a difference between needing help because you don't know what to do, and needing help because you are bad at the game.

i can concurr with that senor, but even so, there are some peeps that excell at pvp and fail terribly at pve cause they are quite frankly bad at it, not simply because they are not experienced but simply because the entire mindset and way that builds are compiled are rather different in the two fields, but the same can be said for a LOAD of pve players.

Yoshikuni Mahsu · Mar 17, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

you just made me have an lol'gasm, i'm primarily a pvx type player and i excell rather well in both general fields, ask me friends, but i couldn't even begin to count the numerous times that i've had pvp guildies request me to aide them on a pve mission or elite and they are completely ignorant to it as if i'm screaming at them in chinese algebra. so yes, there are pvpers that are good at pve i'll give you that, but a majority of peeps who play primarily pvp don't know whats going on in pve whatsoever. this is not an attack on your posting itself but a simply statement made in response to the generalized ignorance that is elitist d*****bags that generally overrun pvp, not saying that you are one, but thats just generally the way it is.

-joe_fierce

p.s. this is not an attack on pvp or pvpers but on pvp elitism, so, before you go all ignorant and page spam me please consider the deeper meaning in my statements.

Oh right-
I forgot there are guilds, as in, ab (cough), ra, ta, ha, HB guilds, that are considered pvp guilds.

Let me clarify my definition of "pvp" guild:
GvG Guild.

(serious) GvG Guilds are good at PvP (obviously) and PvE aswell. The only time such a situation as you described could be true is when a guild is simply unfamiliar with the area (very rare with wiki in existance), or when a guild is just playing casually.

Granted, sometimes a guild member just plain out sucks shit, or is just very bad with a certain area/situation... obviously this is rare and a person-by-person case, not something to judge the whole guild on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

There is a difference between needing help because you don't know what to do, and needing help because you are bad at the game.

Quoted for emphasis and correctness.

llsektorll · Mar 17, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

note: i am not considering AB guilds as they are the both pvp and pve.

PvP guilds:
* have voicechat server (usually ventrilo because teamspeak by many is still considered to be the preferred choice of what pvpers call "pve noobs")
* players must be active and log on atleast for 3hrs daily.
* must already have a experience in pvp
* survival of the fittest is the best explanation for this guild model, as the weaker players are kicked out.
* pvpers are generally considered to be the more experienced players because most have done quite a bit in pve and now need something more rewarding for their time. As such, the players in pvp guilds expect the guild to work together to get the player fame/champ pts etc.

PvE
* generally the guilds are large 30-100
* community is built through helping each other out rather than a common goal of fame found in pvp based guilds. (not HA fame but fame in general)
* success is measured by pve titles and money/items of value.
* sense of friendship and unity towards the guild is very important.
* voice chat is not required by it helps
* as many in pve guilds maybe new to the game, the only thing they want out of the guild is help; whether it be to answer questions or completing a quest/mission.

Leetwalrushunter · Mar 18, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

PvP players generally have a higher skill level than PvE players. How many PvE players can reflex 3/4 casting times which most PvP'ers can. Or at least most of them. How many PvE players can QuarterKnock. The list goes on and on

FoxBat · Mar 18, 2008, 01:14 AM // 01:14

I think Sektor's list is a pretty balanced overview.

Non-competitive guilds by definition have priorities other than being better than everyone else. High-performance PvP guilds slough those off for those for the sake of competition. The two generally don't coincide for these reasons.

Joe Fierce · Mar 18, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

Oh right-
I forgot there are guilds, as in, ab (cough), ra, ta, ha, HB guilds, that are considered pvp guilds.

Let me clarify my definition of "pvp" guild:
GvG Guild.

(serious) GvG Guilds are good at PvP (obviously) and PvE aswell. The only time such a situation as you described could be true is when a guild is simply unfamiliar with the area (very rare with wiki in existance), or when a guild is just playing casually.

Granted, sometimes a guild member just plain out sucks shit, or is just very bad with a certain area/situation... obviously this is rare and a person-by-person case, not something to judge the whole guild on.

Quoted for emphasis and correctness.

trust me when i made my comments i didn't consider ta ra ab or hb as pvp guilds, and like you said sometimes certain members just suck shit, and i'm not trying to judge any guild on that one person whatsoever but even to that effect there still alot of pvpers, even major gvgers that do not know wtf is going on or how they could remedy this situation whatsoever in pve because of such things as lets see, hmm, over complicating things, before you go telling me how to make a judgement on a guild or play style take into consideration your previous post that i was responding to in the first place:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

PvE guilds do good in PvE

PvP guilds do good in PvP AND PvE.
Yeah, I went there...

and lets not forget this

Richardt
But both types share the same common ground-both are about finding the right builds for the situation

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

No.

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so before you get all ignorant and tell me how i should and shouldn't make broad generalizations on a specific playstyle for a guild please take into consideration the tone which you took in your postings and consider that mine don't quite muster the arrogant elitist overtones that your's do and mine are based purely on my own personal experiences while yours are founded upon simply your opinion... though my statements may have had much opinionatedness to them they were said based upon specific occasions and instances and not just what i believed...

so before you tell me how i can and cannot judge a guild playstyle take into consideration your own postings otherwise this thread turns into exactly what it did, a small little fought arguement and a great big effing case of:

Mar 15, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24	#1
Tarn Blackhail Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: W/Mo	PvP guilds vs PvE guilds: whats the major difference? i know the obvious difference, pve is not pvp, pvp is player vs player, BUT... what is the difference in what pve guilds look for and pvp. which is a better guild to join, and what types of players look for which... i dont see a reason to isolate yourself from one or the other by joining a strictly pvp, or pve guild... so what is the benefeit in joining any pvp or pve only guild, unless it is to find others with that intrest, in which case okay, that makes sence. the only guild i can see truly making sence is a pvp only guild, but if youre pve as well as pvp, what is the benefeit of some of the guilds that are all pve, with little or no pvp experience...?

Mar 15, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59	#2
English Warrior LEET HAXXOR! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Random Arena Profession: N/A	most of the time id say they both do both just they do one more than the other.

Mar 15, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24	#3
Yoshikuni Mahsu Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2008	PvE guilds do good in PvE PvP guilds do good in PvP AND PvE. Yeah, I went there...

Mar 15, 2008, 10:26 PM // 22:26	#4
Tearz1993 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: Relentless Aggressors [rA] Profession: R/Mo	PvE guilds think they're good because they can beat the computer with ursan PvP guilds just think everyone else is bad Depends which you like more

Mar 16, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08	#5
Tarn Blackhail Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: W/Mo	lol. okay, so what if theres a guild thats not concidered PVP or PVE focuses, what if they just focus on teamwork and player skill and improvement, encouraging members to be the best at whatever they like to do, and helping members to improve their skills, characters, ect.... what are they concidered...?

Mar 16, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38	#6
Richardt Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: http://friendsofloa.com/forum Guild: Leader-Legion of Avalon [LoA] Alliance-Recruiting PM for info!	Tarn, I would say PvX. Most guilds dabble in the PvX, but in order to do high end PvP or PvE the guild usually focuses on one. The big difference between the two types of guilds are primarily reflected in the differences between PvP and PvE. But both types share the same common ground-both are about finding the right builds for the situation.

Mar 16, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41	#7
Tearz1993 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: Relentless Aggressors [rA] Profession: R/Mo	PvX is the best if you don't want to become high-end in a specific area because it lets people experiment with what they like in GW.

Mar 16, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11	#8
Tarn Blackhail Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: W/Mo	okay, thanks. thats interesting to know. Where is a forum on here that PVX guilds can advertise? or are they just supposed to use ither of the two forums provided (pvp/pve guild recruiting).?

Mar 17, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08	#13
Tosha Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: The Order of the Kitten [PURR]	I have been in both... been in a PvE guild for 18 months, but switched to a PvP one when I wanted to get into PvP... I would say the main difference is that PvE guilds have more time to chat (i mean on guildchat, not ventrilo or TS) Though I have found a fairly chatty PvP guild now, there is still a lot less chatting going on. But you cannot stand still in PvP to type a few sentences like you can in PvE. Go for the PvX alliance, with PvE and PvP guilds, always a lot of fun

Mar 17, 2008, 01:26 PM // 13:26	#14
Tarn Blackhail Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: W/Mo	thats where alliances come into play. you could integrate many different types of guilds into one alliance in order to stay in your guild youre currently in, and just participate in the activities of the other guilds' in youre alliance to fit youre gaming needs of the day, while having fun and aiding others in their quest for victory.

Mar 17, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22	#17
llsektorll Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Profession: R/	note: i am not considering AB guilds as they are the both pvp and pve. PvP guilds: * have voicechat server (usually ventrilo because teamspeak by many is still considered to be the preferred choice of what pvpers call "pve noobs") * players must be active and log on atleast for 3hrs daily. * must already have a experience in pvp * survival of the fittest is the best explanation for this guild model, as the weaker players are kicked out. * pvpers are generally considered to be the more experienced players because most have done quite a bit in pve and now need something more rewarding for their time. As such, the players in pvp guilds expect the guild to work together to get the player fame/champ pts etc. PvE * generally the guilds are large 30-100 * community is built through helping each other out rather than a common goal of fame found in pvp based guilds. (not HA fame but fame in general) * success is measured by pve titles and money/items of value. * sense of friendship and unity towards the guild is very important. * voice chat is not required by it helps * as many in pve guilds maybe new to the game, the only thing they want out of the guild is help; whether it be to answer questions or completing a quest/mission.

Mar 18, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46	#18
Leetwalrushunter Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Buffalo NY Guild: Wandering Eye (Perv) Profession: Me/	PvP players generally have a higher skill level than PvE players. How many PvE players can reflex 3/4 casting times which most PvP'ers can. Or at least most of them. How many PvE players can QuarterKnock. The list goes on and on

Mar 18, 2008, 01:14 AM // 01:14	#19
FoxBat Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Amazon Basin [AB] Profession: Mo/Me	I think Sektor's list is a pretty balanced overview. Non-competitive guilds by definition have priorities other than being better than everyone else. High-performance PvP guilds slough those off for those for the sake of competition. The two generally don't coincide for these reasons.