Attack Speed Increase Skills? - Page 3 - Guild Wars Forums

Sir Tidus · Apr 03, 2008, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Or be an assassin and have Crit Agility, perma IAS +extra armor FTW

True, but I meant on a warrior.

Sir Tidus · Apr 03, 2008, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

1. Warrior's shouldn't really be targetted anyway, even with Frenzy up. Only Warriors anyway, as any other class would get targetted to the shit regardless.

2. But high armour allows more Frenzy.

3. Cancel stance for when you're becoming a main priority target.

I've never really used Frenzy, so I wanna clear a few things up.

1. But don't you want to try to get the enemy to target you the warrior (via standing in their way or some other way)?

2. But doesn't high armor + frenzy = less armor than even caster professions (actually even worse than that, since it's double damage and not -40 AL)? Wouldn't you always become the priority target since you become the softest target?

3. Like I said in #2, wouldn't you need to cancel almost as soon as you activate Frenzy?

Guys, correct me if I'm wrong please.

Stormlord Alex · Apr 03, 2008, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

1. But don't you want to try to get the enemy to target you the warrior (via standing in their way or some other way)?

If you can get most of the aggro on yourself, then you'll (hopefully) be stacked in prots and can Frenzy quite happily. Nothing is gonna kill you through PS + SB + SoA, Frenzy or not.

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2. But doesn't high armor + frenzy = less armor than even caster professions (actually even worse than that, since it's double damage and not -40 AL)? Wouldn't you always become the priority target since you become the softest target?

3. Like I said in #2, wouldn't you need to cancel almost as soon as you activate Frenzy?

Enemy AI doesn't seem to recognize a Warrior when he Frenzies - he's still got 100+ Armor so he still gets ignored by the AI.

With human enemies, there's generally something more worthwhile attacking than a warrior, so you can Frenzy anyway.

Sir Tidus · Apr 03, 2008, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

If you can get most of the aggro on yourself, then you'll (hopefully) be stacked in prots and can Frenzy quite happily. Nothing is gonna kill you through PS + SB + SoA, Frenzy or not.

Enemy AI doesn't seem to recognize a Warrior when he Frenzies - he's still got 100+ Armor so he still gets ignored by the AI.

With human enemies, there's generally something more worthwhile attacking than a warrior, so you can Frenzy anyway.

Thanks. By the way, which would be a better cancel stance? sprint or rush?

FlamingMetroid · Apr 03, 2008, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Thanks. By the way, which would be a better cancel stance? sprint or rush?

rush, no 20 sec recharge ftw

Stormlord Alex · Apr 03, 2008, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

rush, no 20 sec recharge ftw

15 recharge on Sprint now.

For general purposes, Rush is the stronger cancel stance.

Dark Kal · Apr 03, 2008, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Then that IAS would be wasted because you'll be focused in on 24/7. Again, even AI isn't that stupid.
Why are you using Frenzy on a x/W anyway? Learn to play.
I think before you try quoting me again you should look at Divine's post.

For PvE: the AI doesn't recognize or care whether you're using Frenzy. I wish the AI did recognize it, so I could draw attention away from them attacking the softer targets like my monks. Eventhough PvE has better IAS skills, it doesn't mean Frenzy is a wasted skill if you know how to use it. And you don't need to focus on it 24/7, as soon as you notice you're taking damage you use your cancel stance, if you don't even notice getting damage you're an even worse player than I imagined.

For PvP: If I can distract a player from attacking the more vulnerable classes that most definitely is not a bad thing.

I didn't say I used Frenzy on x/W, neither did I say they don't have better alternatives, I merely stated that it wouldn't be suicide if someone did use it on x/W, contrary to what you said.

Seriously learn to read and learn to play the game before spewing out crap.

Monk Gsb · Apr 03, 2008, 09:06 AM // 09:06

can a mod close this thread, due to;

1. people being absoulte spack's
2. the question has been answerd (people use ias and if you choose diffrent one's your bad/good/gimmiky )
3. every 1 else stop QQing over nothing
4. RAWR I AM THE PANCAKE MAN

Tyla · Apr 03, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

For PvE: the AI doesn't recognize or care whether you're using Frenzy. I wish the AI did recognize it, so I could draw attention away from them attacking the softer targets like my monks. Eventhough PvE has better IAS skills, it doesn't mean Frenzy is a wasted skill if you know how to use it. And you don't need to focus on it 24/7, as soon as you notice you're taking damage you use your cancel stance, if you don't even notice getting damage you're an even worse player than I imagined.

For PvP: If I can distract a player from attacking the more vulnerable classes that most definitely is not a bad thing.

I didn't say I used Frenzy on x/W, neither did I say they don't have better alternatives, I merely stated that it wouldn't be suicide if someone did use it on x/W, contrary to what you said.

Seriously learn to read and learn to play the game before spewing out crap.

I would still say it's suicide. Anything that has below a Warrior's inherant armour will get targetted first most probably regardless.
And why are we having this argument if you don't use Frenzy on x/W and know there are better alternatives?
Anyone who does use Frenzy on an x/W needs to learn to play, my friend.

It would be suicide because either way, regardless of your profession (Minus Warrior and Paragon) the AI will most probably target you anyway with or without Frenzy = wasted slot at that point.

Being able to Frenzy under pressure is pure /win. Not being able to Frenzy under any sort of damage income is pure /suicide.

And for the record because you're defending x/W Frenzy...stop spewing out crap yourself.

Sir Tidus · Apr 03, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

For PvE: the AI doesn't recognize or care whether you're using Frenzy. I wish the AI did recognize it, so I could draw attention away from them attacking the softer targets like my monks.

A warrior using Frenzy is a way softer target then a monk, so why would you want to draw the enemies' attention while using Frenzy?

Crom The Pale · Apr 04, 2008, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

A warrior using Frenzy is a way softer target then a monk, so why would you want to draw the enemies' attention while using Frenzy?

Unless your talking about a glyph ready Air spikes, then drawing attention to you doesnt mean instant death.

If Frenzy did draw agro then you would use it when your casters were under fire and draw off that attack. By the time you started to take heavy dmg you would use your cancel stance + the monks could then heal you since they would not be kiting anymore.

Also the double damage is not as significant as you might think, when a war is only taking 10-20 dmg from attacks pre-frenzy(physical attacks that is). If there are multiple casters in the mob, or a Boss Caster, then have your monk cast Protective Spirit prior to Frenzy and your good to go.

Tyla · Apr 04, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

A warrior using Frenzy is a way softer target then a monk, so why would you want to draw the enemies' attention while using Frenzy?

You can always stack your prots and take advantage of the AI. PS and SoA make good candidates for the situation. As Alex said...

Think of it as a makeshift tank, but you're not useless when aggro breaks.

Dark Kal · Apr 04, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

I would still say it's suicide. Anything that has below a Warrior's inherant armour will get targetted first most probably regardless.
And why are we having this argument if you don't use Frenzy on x/W and know there are better alternatives?
Anyone who does use Frenzy on an x/W needs to learn to play, my friend.

It would be suicide because either way, regardless of your profession (Minus Warrior and Paragon) the AI will most probably target you anyway with or without Frenzy = wasted slot at that point.

Nope, Assassins and Dervishes have 70 armor that's still 10 more inherent armor compared to caster classes. The enemy AI prefers to go for the lowest armor and lowest health. Although you're more likely to be targeted than a Warrior or Paragon. I could imagine an Assassin spike build with Frenzy in it. 95% Of the time you'll have a better alternative but it's not suicide per se for other melee classes. I wouldn't recommend Frenzy for caster classes but otherwise it's a perfectly feasible skill when used correctly.

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And for the record because you're defending x/W Frenzy...stop spewing out crap yourself.

Yawn, uncreative. If I may ask a question are you below the age of 15?

Tyla · Apr 04, 2008, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

Nope, Assassins and Dervishes have 70 armor that's still 10 more inherent armor compared to caster classes. The enemy AI prefers to go for the lowest armor and lowest health. Although you're more likely to be targeted than a Warrior or Paragon. I could imagine an Assassin spike build with Frenzy in it. 95% Of the time you'll have a better alternative but it's not suicide per se for other melee classes. I wouldn't recommend Frenzy for caster classes but otherwise it's a perfectly feasible skill when used correctly.

Since I use shield sets as a main weapon sets while Monking anyway... My armour is comparable to that of an Assassin or Dervish. Besides which, they are melee classes and the 10 extra AL won't really be noticed by the AI since they are in the melee position to boot.

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Yawn, uncreative. If I may ask a question are you below the age of 15?

I prefer going for the most efficiency. And I've already had this age thing before, which the person it came from got bollocked.

Ku Ku · Apr 04, 2008, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

what are you talking about!!!!!

IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!

Frenzy and flail are common, and i use flurry on a sin

wow... useful feedback there

Perhaps the OP is only being exposed to the pug builds "in fashion" at the moment? Ursan and Obby tank maybe?

You could trying having a look for builds here. There should be one or two that other people have mentioned using the skills you want to include :P!

Dark Kal · Apr 04, 2008, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

I prefer going for the most efficiency. And I've already had this age thing before, which the person it came from got bollocked.

Judging from your previous posts and your answer I'm going to assume you are. The only reason I asked is so that I know not to keep argueing with you, I've no intrest in juvenile insults.

Tyla · Apr 04, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

Judging from your previous posts and your answer I'm going to assume you are. The only reason I asked is so that I know not to keep argueing with you, I've no intrest in juvenile insults.

Juvenile insults? Oh, you mean like you making a personal attack on my age? Sorry if you insulting me offended you.

Apr 03, 2008, 09:06 AM // 09:06	#48
Monk Gsb Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: England Profession: Mo/Me	can a mod close this thread, due to; 1. people being absoulte spack's 2. the question has been answerd (people use ias and if you choose diffrent one's your bad/good/gimmiky ) 3. every 1 else stop QQing over nothing 4. RAWR I AM THE PANCAKE MAN