Wisdom or Kurzick Title? - Guild Wars Forums

shoyon456 · Jul 23, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Okay, so I'm not exactly close to GWAMM atm, but my main is not a survivor or ldoa, which means when I do get there, I will have to choose between Wisdom or Kurzick faction titles for #30.

My question to you is whether Wisdom would be easier to attain than Kurzick? I am currently at R4 Kurzick (for HoM) and at only 620 golds ID'd. Note that I plan to farm most of the golds if it turns out Wisdom would be the easier choice.

In addition, if you feel that Wisdom would be easier to get, please explain how you would farm alot of golds very quickly (without wasting money on picks/keys) since there is already a relatively effecient way for Kurzick (HFFF).

Crimson Flame · Jul 23, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00

I would do Kurzick because you can buy your way to that title while still making money in the long run. That's just me, though, especially since I don't know an equally efficient way to farm goldies.

scythefromunder · Jul 23, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

if you are going for these titles on your ele, assuming you have one from your sig, i would go do the raptor farm.

komma · Jul 23, 2008, 06:10 PM // 18:10

i got to that stage and was doing hff...ended up saying eff it and am now pursuing treaser hunter, which is a lil more fun than flaggin heros or leeching.

jiggles · Jul 23, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11

or get the treasure hunter title along with the wisdom. If thats not an option FFF your kur title, you make 100g a run and can even pay someone 50g to do it for you.

SOF · Jul 23, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

To be honest, my opinion is biased. Seeing as I got to R12 Kurz.
But I think it's the better title of the two.

Pros:
The obvious factor is it allows your other chars to have a maxed title.
But also, given that you HFFF yourself, and don't get a runner, you can make 3-5Mil gold in the process.
So you could buy a nice reward prezzy for yourself

Also it makes all your Kurzick PvE skills imba.

Cons:
Takes 2 months of mindless grinding.
You can burn out, putting you off going back to finish the title. Burning out on Kurzick title is far worse than others. As it is such a long title to finish, that it can make getting GWAMM much much harder.

I can only give the points on Kurzick, as I have not done Wisdom.

But I can imagine it's the best title to go for of the two simply for the money involved at the end of it.

Hope it helps :P

Ministry Of Peace · Jul 23, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

I think the ridiculous save yourselves you would get on all characters alone makes kurzick the better choice.

shoyon456 · Jul 23, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by scythefromunder

if you are going for these titles on your ele, assuming you have one from your sig, i would go do the raptor farm.

Nope, sorry derv.

Seems like people favor the kurz title, but to the guy who said 2 months... is it really that short? I mean, how much faction would you say you donated per hour without factoring in the 2x going towards title? And no, if I go for wisdom it will just be wisdom, picks/keys for chests are a money trap imo.

V E R A T T A · Jul 23, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

most pp will hfff the kurz title, i chose to do the wisdom and while im broke at 7500golds, i dont regret it. i think its a cool title

SOF · Jul 23, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Shoyon, that's based on doing roughly 100k/day which works out at 200k to title.

unkleanone · Jul 23, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

I'd say it would probably take about the same amount of time to do kurzick title as it would wisdom. You say you wan to farm your wisdom title if you do that then I suggest raptors...btw you don't have to have an ele to farm raptors. My Ranger does HM Raptor farms in less than a minute no problem. Each run will usually net you atleast one gold though you do get small stretches with no golds but some will make up for it by dropping two to three golds a run...with each run taking less than a minute and netting you 120+ Asura rep i'd say the raptor farm for wisdom title would be the best option. As you could possibly finish two titles at once.

Personally i'm going for my wisdom title on my title hunter ranger, but then again I'm a luxon and all your kurzick peoples can't stuff it lol j/k

Xx Da Best Xx · Jul 23, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Personally Id go for wisdom. Its a lot cooler title to have. When I see people with max wisdom I think "Man, they've been playing for a while and working hard to get that." But when i say Max Luxon/Kurz..I just think "Oh, they either leeched or just hfff..."

Plus people sell unids 7 for 5k. And theres a lot of people that do that, making it somewhat easier.

Stimm · Jul 23, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

I had this same choice for my # 30. I originally decided on Kurzick for # 30 for the reasons many have listed. If I was lazy I could buy runs and still make a little money ( 50g/ ) or I could learn to run it and have the whole reward ( 150g/ ) or even better start taking passengers and make up to 450g/minute.

I learned pretty quick how to do it and joined a town holding alliance so I could buy keys in bulk and resell them ( money maker ) on top of charging for faction runs. I wound up making money faster then I could spend it so I started buying UNIDs and it got to the point where I was progressing faster on the ID title then Kurzick and depending on where I got UNIDs from I was making money from them even at paying 5k for 7.

So in the end I maxed my UNID title and am sitting at just over 7m Kurzick but havent done anything with the latter in awhile now , gets really boring really fast

**cosyfiep** · Jul 23, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

try for both and see which you get first? I know that doing the fast farming stuff doesnt leave much time for chest running....but you might get some gold drops along the way/come across chests etc.....

anyways I am working for both---I have more than one character to do it with so that makes it easier on the faction points (still have some who have yet to get to eternal grove!)....

crazybanshee · Jul 23, 2008, 10:48 PM // 22:48

I didn't have ldoa or survivor either, so I went for treasure hunter. Which gave me a huge boost in the wisdom title anyway, and ended up making me a pretty comfortable amount of money the higher up I got in that and lucky.

Sergeant of Marines · Jul 24, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

I am in the same boat as you, at 29 maxed titles on my main but No Survivor.

I am choosing to do both however the Kurzick will probably get completed first.

Currently at:
5100 ID's
8,040,000 Kurzick
All money I make from HFFF goes to Buying Unids

When I get burnt out on HFFFing I farm Raptors on my ele, brings in some golds and money as well.

BabyJ · Jul 24, 2008, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xx Da Best Xx

Personally Id go for wisdom. Its a lot cooler title to have. When I see people with max wisdom I think "Man, they've been playing for a while and working hard to get that." But when i say Max Luxon/Kurz..I just think "Oh, they either leeched or just hfff..."

Plus people sell unids 7 for 5k. And theres a lot of people that do that, making it somewhat easier.

Believe it or not some people have got kurzick faction without hfff.
I'm rank 7 in kurzick and rank 6 in luxon and every single point of that has been from Ab's.
I would say wisdom being a cooler title is a matter of opinion.

But on topic, wisdom is a much faster title to max cause it can be purely bought, where as the allegiance titles take considerably longer even if you hfff.

Leonhart · Jul 24, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

As there is an update to come saying that titles should be account based, so if you have LDOA or Survivor on another char, you should be able to add it to your other chars if needed.

Lycan Nibbler · Jul 24, 2008, 03:10 AM // 03:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonhart

As there is an update to come saying that titles should be account based, so if you have LDOA or Survivor on another char, you should be able to add it to your other chars if needed.

that update was for your HoM, it doesnt mean that every char is going to get LDoA if you have it on one.

Having done both, Id say do the Kurzick one via hff. Yes, its very easy to burn out, but finding a good runner that you pay 100g a time to is a good way to split up the flagging (you still make 50g a run when you pay). I used to do 10k myself, then pay for 10k by which time I was ready to do a further 10k.
The wisdom title used to be easier when the chinese farmers were around in Bergen, but now its basically a money sink thats as bad as doing treasure hunter.

Jul 23, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58	#1
shoyon456 Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: D/	Wisdom or Kurzick Title? Okay, so I'm not exactly close to GWAMM atm, but my main is not a survivor or ldoa, which means when I do get there, I will have to choose between Wisdom or Kurzick faction titles for #30. My question to you is whether Wisdom would be easier to attain than Kurzick? I am currently at R4 Kurzick (for HoM) and at only 620 golds ID'd. Note that I plan to farm most of the golds if it turns out Wisdom would be the easier choice. In addition, if you feel that Wisdom would be easier to get, please explain how you would farm alot of golds very quickly (without wasting money on picks/keys) since there is already a relatively effecient way for Kurzick (HFFF).

Jul 23, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50	#14
cosyfiep are we there yet? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a land far far away Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild? Profession: Rt/	try for both and see which you get first? I know that doing the fast farming stuff doesnt leave much time for chest running....but you might get some gold drops along the way/come across chests etc..... anyways I am working for both---I have more than one character to do it with so that makes it easier on the faction points (still have some who have yet to get to eternal grove!).... __________________ where is the 'all you can eat' cookie bar?

Jul 23, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00	#2
Crimson Flame Better Than Arkantos Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ONOES I iz playing WoW Guild: The Order of Dii [Dii] - officer	I would do Kurzick because you can buy your way to that title while still making money in the long run. That's just me, though, especially since I don't know an equally efficient way to farm goldies.

Jul 23, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04	#3
scythefromunder Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: CA Guild: Tears Of The Ascended [ToA]	if you are going for these titles on your ele, assuming you have one from your sig, i would go do the raptor farm.

Jul 23, 2008, 06:10 PM // 18:10	#4
komma Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2007 Guild: None Profession: N/	i got to that stage and was doing hff...ended up saying eff it and am now pursuing treaser hunter, which is a lil more fun than flaggin heros or leeching.

Jul 23, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11	#5
jiggles Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2007 Profession: N/	or get the treasure hunter title along with the wisdom. If thats not an option FFF your kur title, you make 100g a run and can even pay someone 50g to do it for you.

Jul 23, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15	#6
SOF Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2008 Guild: The Rejected Sins [SOF]	To be honest, my opinion is biased. Seeing as I got to R12 Kurz. But I think it's the better title of the two. Pros: The obvious factor is it allows your other chars to have a maxed title. But also, given that you HFFF yourself, and don't get a runner, you can make 3-5Mil gold in the process. So you could buy a nice reward prezzy for yourself Also it makes all your Kurzick PvE skills imba. Cons: Takes 2 months of mindless grinding. You can burn out, putting you off going back to finish the title. Burning out on Kurzick title is far worse than others. As it is such a long title to finish, that it can make getting GWAMM much much harder. I can only give the points on Kurzick, as I have not done Wisdom. But I can imagine it's the best title to go for of the two simply for the money involved at the end of it. Hope it helps :P

Jul 23, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20	#7
Ministry Of Peace Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: req 12 land Guild: guildless for the time being Profession: P/	I think the ridiculous save yourselves you would get on all characters alone makes kurzick the better choice.

Jul 23, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38	#9
V E R A T T A Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: N/	most pp will hfff the kurz title, i chose to do the wisdom and while im broke at 7500golds, i dont regret it. i think its a cool title

Jul 23, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50	#10
SOF Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2008 Guild: The Rejected Sins [SOF]	Shoyon, that's based on doing roughly 100k/day which works out at 200k to title.

Jul 23, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04	#11
unkleanone Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: TN Guild: Semi Automatic Bananas [SEMI] Profession: R/Mo	I'd say it would probably take about the same amount of time to do kurzick title as it would wisdom. You say you wan to farm your wisdom title if you do that then I suggest raptors...btw you don't have to have an ele to farm raptors. My Ranger does HM Raptor farms in less than a minute no problem. Each run will usually net you atleast one gold though you do get small stretches with no golds but some will make up for it by dropping two to three golds a run...with each run taking less than a minute and netting you 120+ Asura rep i'd say the raptor farm for wisdom title would be the best option. As you could possibly finish two titles at once. Personally i'm going for my wisdom title on my title hunter ranger, but then again I'm a luxon and all your kurzick peoples can't stuff it lol j/k

Jul 23, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22	#12
Xx Da Best Xx Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2008 Location: LA	Personally Id go for wisdom. Its a lot cooler title to have. When I see people with max wisdom I think "Man, they've been playing for a while and working hard to get that." But when i say Max Luxon/Kurz..I just think "Oh, they either leeched or just hfff..." Plus people sell unids 7 for 5k. And theres a lot of people that do that, making it somewhat easier.

Jul 23, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27	#13
Stimm Academy Page Join Date: May 2006	I had this same choice for my # 30. I originally decided on Kurzick for # 30 for the reasons many have listed. If I was lazy I could buy runs and still make a little money ( 50g/ ) or I could learn to run it and have the whole reward ( 150g/ ) or even better start taking passengers and make up to 450g/minute. I learned pretty quick how to do it and joined a town holding alliance so I could buy keys in bulk and resell them ( money maker ) on top of charging for faction runs. I wound up making money faster then I could spend it so I started buying UNIDs and it got to the point where I was progressing faster on the ID title then Kurzick and depending on where I got UNIDs from I was making money from them even at paying 5k for 7. So in the end I maxed my UNID title and am sitting at just over 7m Kurzick but havent done anything with the latter in awhile now , gets really boring really fast

Jul 23, 2008, 10:48 PM // 22:48	#15
crazybanshee Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Look out! Profession: E/	I didn't have ldoa or survivor either, so I went for treasure hunter. Which gave me a huge boost in the wisdom title anyway, and ended up making me a pretty comfortable amount of money the higher up I got in that and lucky.

Jul 24, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46	#16
Sergeant of Marines Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Japan Guild: [트두므s], Guild Leader Profession: Mo/	I am in the same boat as you, at 29 maxed titles on my main but No Survivor. I am choosing to do both however the Kurzick will probably get completed first. Currently at: 5100 ID's 8,040,000 Kurzick All money I make from HFFF goes to Buying Unids When I get burnt out on HFFFing I farm Raptors on my ele, brings in some golds and money as well.

Jul 24, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35	#18
Leonhart Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ascalon City Profession: W/	As there is an update to come saying that titles should be account based, so if you have LDOA or Survivor on another char, you should be able to add it to your other chars if needed.