BLOODGOAT · Aug 19, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Has it changed at all? I forget what they said before anyways...

I have a macro for SF that I can toggle to loop forever. So I could ideally leave my PC for days and come back and my sin would still be maintaining SF. Is this a questionable practice?

Targren · Aug 19, 2009, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by BLOODGOAT

Has it changed at all? I forget what they said before anyways...

I have a macro for SF that I can toggle to loop forever. So I could ideally leave my PC for days and come back and my sin would still be maintaining SF. Is this a questionable practice?

If it plays when you're not at the computer, it's bannable. Nothing questionable about it.

Dawn Angelheart · Aug 19, 2009, 01:57 AM // 01:57

If it gives you an advantage over other players, its bannable i think.

Farcry Deathblade · Aug 19, 2009, 02:10 AM // 02:10

i hope they change their policy for guild wars 2...i've been playing WoW for the past year (dropped it because it became too much of a grind after naxx) and I admit I've become a bit of a macro-kiddie!

Link6590 · Aug 19, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Good thing GW is generally anti-grind

And if a wow debate comes up
WoW PvE > GW PvE
GW PvE > Wow PvE
Now i must leave if it escalates...

Only mods (UI edits) are the only 3rd party things allowed to directly influence the game.

Evasion Twenty · Aug 19, 2009, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Yes, it doesnt make u better or worse, just mods the look of the game, that only affects you.

However it cannot be supported if anything gets broken

Bob Slydell · Aug 19, 2009, 02:24 AM // 02:24

Basically, the macros that are allowed are ones that help you while you play at the computer. The macros that are not allowed are the ones that let you automate what your character does while you are away from the comp (at work, school or whatever your doing while not at the PC)

drunk n angry · Aug 19, 2009, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by Chrisworld

Basically, the macros that are allowed are ones that help you while you play at the computer. The macros that are not allowed are the ones that let you automate what your character does while you are away from the comp (at work, school or whatever your doing while not at the PC)

with this in mind it makes me question putting my account to "offline" and going to work while i'm deathleveling (would that be thought of as botting?) lol but yes macros if caught using will get your account banned whether it is a perma ban or temp is up to the anet team.

BLOODGOAT · Aug 19, 2009, 03:39 AM // 03:39

I'm not saying I'm going to leave the computer while my toon spams SF just for show. It's mainly a perfect-timing setup for the off-chance I happen to forget to renew. My statement was just an embellishment to emphasize what my macro really can do.

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 19, 2009, 05:50 AM // 05:50

I'd stop using this if I were you. Having a 3rd party program that can use skills for you (even 'I just forgot to renew') gives you an unfair advantage against other players. Besides, what's next? Eventually, if this is allowed, people are going to keep pushing the boundaries on what is acceptable, and arguments/qqing will begin.

BLOODGOAT · Aug 19, 2009, 05:54 AM // 05:54

If maintaining SF during absence of mind is an unfair advantage then I'm inclined to believe binding a hotkeys to quick-select party members and cast Prot Spirit on them is also an unfair advantage, as anything else would be.

This is too blurry.

Yol · Aug 19, 2009, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by drunk n angry

with this in mind it makes me question putting my account to "offline" and going to work while i'm deathleveling (would that be thought of as botting?)

Deathlevelling charr? That can't be considered as botting, and shouldn't require the use of macros, as the only thing that is happening while you are away from the computer is that you are being ressed at the nearest res shrine.

Yang Whirlwind · Aug 19, 2009, 09:19 AM // 09:19

Basically you should refrain from doing anything that can be interpreted as botting. The scripts they run to monitor the servers cannot tell the difference between a keyboard macro and a bot program.
The official view seems to be that if you click like clockwork you are not doing it by yourself and need to have your account banned!

Bob Slydell · Aug 19, 2009, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by drunk n angry

with this in mind it makes me question putting my account to "offline" and going to work while i'm deathleveling (would that be thought of as botting?) lol but yes macros if caught using will get your account banned whether it is a perma ban or temp is up to the anet team.

I don't think deathlevelling anything is considered botting, since they introduced the title in pre that forces you to death level, they wouldn't ban people for playing their game the correct way. Besides, its not animating your character with macros while you are gone, you are just standing there and getting beat down to death every few seconds, lol.

careyt · Aug 19, 2009, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by BLOODGOAT

If maintaining SF during absence of mind is an unfair advantage then I'm inclined to believe binding a hotkeys to quick-select party members and cast Prot Spirit on them is also an unfair advantage, as anything else would be.

This is too blurry.

it isn't an unfair advantage since anyone can do that through the official GW client.

*Darcy* · Aug 19, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by Farcry Deathblade

i hope they change their policy for guild wars 2...i've been playing WoW for the past year (dropped it because it became too much of a grind after naxx) and I admit I've become a bit of a macro-kiddie!

I don't think they will change their policy. The ArenaNet mindset is fixed on a level playing field for all. That is a large part of what made GW such a success (besides the FTP). Macros give one player the advantage over someone not using macros. Once you allow one such macro, where do you draw the line.

jray14 · Aug 19, 2009, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Targren

If it plays when you're not at the computer, it's bannable. Nothing questionable about it.

What if you use a macro just to maintain SF but do all the other stuff yourself while at the computer?

*Darcy* · Aug 19, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by jray14

What if you use a macro just to maintain SF but do all the other stuff yourself while at the computer?

Bannable! Anet makes no exceptions about macros. If you can leave your keyboard and the character's actions will continue without your presence, you are in violation of the rules.

jray14 · Aug 19, 2009, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by Darcy

Bannable! Anet makes no exceptions about macros. If you can leave your keyboard and the character's actions will continue without your presence, you are in violation of the rules.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you can stop a macro before leaving the computer, and it's possible to program macros to auto-terminate as soon as your character goes idle.

I'm thinking the relevant part of the EULA is this, under item 7:

"The Game(s) is designed for official play only as offered through the Service by NC Interactive at the Web Site and not through any other means. You further agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which Game(s) may be played by others, as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input."

On one hand there's the "without human input," so that "along with human input" would seemingly be okay. Then again, there's "influence or advantage" and the classic "including but not limited to" phrase that could potentially make anything not-okay. Oh legaleze, gotta love it.

Marverick · Aug 19, 2009, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by Darcy

I don't think they will change their policy. The ArenaNet mindset is fixed on a level playing field for all. That is a large part of what made GW such a success (besides the FTP). Macros give one player the advantage over someone not using macros. Once you allow one such macro, where do you draw the line.

There's no reason why anyone couldn't use a macro. There's plenty of free programs that allow you to do that.

Aug 19, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06	#1
BLOODGOAT Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: long a Profession: Mo/	ANet's stance on macros? Has it changed at all? I forget what they said before anyways... I have a macro for SF that I can toggle to loop forever. So I could ideally leave my PC for days and come back and my sin would still be maintaining SF. Is this a questionable practice?

Aug 19, 2009, 05:50 AM // 05:50	#10
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	I'd stop using this if I were you. Having a 3rd party program that can use skills for you (even 'I just forgot to renew') gives you an unfair advantage against other players. Besides, what's next? Eventually, if this is allowed, people are going to keep pushing the boundaries on what is acceptable, and arguments/qqing will begin. __________________

Aug 19, 2009, 01:57 AM // 01:57	#3
Dawn Angelheart Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2008 Guild: We Bought Plan C On [Ebay] Profession: W/E	If it gives you an advantage over other players, its bannable i think.

Aug 19, 2009, 02:10 AM // 02:10	#4
Farcry Deathblade Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: Mo/Me	i hope they change their policy for guild wars 2...i've been playing WoW for the past year (dropped it because it became too much of a grind after naxx) and I admit I've become a bit of a macro-kiddie!

Aug 19, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13	#5
Link6590 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: The Organization of Dawn Profession: Me/	Good thing GW is generally anti-grind And if a wow debate comes up WoW PvE > GW PvE GW PvE > Wow PvE Now i must leave if it escalates... Only mods (UI edits) are the only 3rd party things allowed to directly influence the game.

Aug 19, 2009, 02:17 AM // 02:17	#6
Evasion Twenty Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Outside Guild: Balthazars Chosen [BC] Profession: R/P	Yes, it doesnt make u better or worse, just mods the look of the game, that only affects you. However it cannot be supported if anything gets broken

Aug 19, 2009, 02:24 AM // 02:24	#7
Bob Slydell Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2007	Basically, the macros that are allowed are ones that help you while you play at the computer. The macros that are not allowed are the ones that let you automate what your character does while you are away from the comp (at work, school or whatever your doing while not at the PC)

Aug 19, 2009, 03:39 AM // 03:39	#9
BLOODGOAT Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: long a Profession: Mo/	I'm not saying I'm going to leave the computer while my toon spams SF just for show. It's mainly a perfect-timing setup for the off-chance I happen to forget to renew. My statement was just an embellishment to emphasize what my macro really can do.

Aug 19, 2009, 05:54 AM // 05:54	#11
BLOODGOAT Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: long a Profession: Mo/	If maintaining SF during absence of mind is an unfair advantage then I'm inclined to believe binding a hotkeys to quick-select party members and cast Prot Spirit on them is also an unfair advantage, as anything else would be. This is too blurry.

Aug 19, 2009, 09:19 AM // 09:19	#13
Yang Whirlwind ~ Retired ~ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1) Profession: E/	Basically you should refrain from doing anything that can be interpreted as botting. The scripts they run to monitor the servers cannot tell the difference between a keyboard macro and a bot program. The official view seems to be that if you click like clockwork you are not doing it by yourself and need to have your account banned!