Playing With Henchmen - Is It Possible? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Astral_Nomad · Aug 25, 2010, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

Because I have a kids running around and a wife with an aggro bubble of a Siege Wurm

LOL! well we can already see how your home life is.. lol

Astral_Nomad · Aug 25, 2010, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by TheodenKing

Hogwash! Do whatever is the most fun for you. The order of the campaigns doesn't mean anything.

Henchmen aren't ideal, but they will help you get the job done. You should consider looking for help in a populated outpost like Lions Arch. You will often see guilds recruiting members there. It is very easy to get help once you've joined a guild. They are usually willing to help new players through their stumbling blocks.

Because you bought the trilogy, you have access to heroes. I don't recall what is the easiest method of getting heroes to use in Prophecies. Heroes are more customizable than henchmen with respect to skills, weaponry and armor.

You dont get heroes in Proph.. period. if someone has heroes in their party its because theyve been to NF or EotN. Factions doesnt have heroes either. You have to be minimum level 10 before you can migrate between campaigns to do that.

Ironfungus · Aug 25, 2010, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Astral_Nomad

You dont get heroes in Proph.. period. if someone has heroes in their party its because theyve been to NF or EotN. Factions doesnt have heroes either. You have to be minimum level 10 before you can migrate between campaigns to do that.

Heh actually, since somewhere around Kryta I think, I've been chilling with the M.O.X. hero. But that's probably because I bought the Trilogy. But since I've only really played a Necromancer/Monk, he doesn't have any skills outside of the standard Dervish he was given. But he is level 20, and my henchies are stuck at 17.

MisterB · Aug 25, 2010, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by Astral_Nomad

You have to be minimum level 10 before you can migrate between campaigns to do that.

There is no level requirement for access to Nightfall, although the quest can be difficult with just the henchmen in LA.

Yaksha · Aug 26, 2010, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Thank you for saying that. It is so true.

Please stop telling people to go get heroes when it is their first time through the game. A low level (Nightfall) or even high level (EotN) hero with no runes and partial builds will not be better than the available henchmen. The AI is the same whether Hero or Henchman, and the Henchmen are better designed for the area.

That's entirely untrue. There's a lot of reasons why getting heroes ASAP makes prophercies easier for a new player. I just did this (new player just finished running through prophercies).

1. In prophercies it takes a while before henchies get to lv20. The opening guy said he was at the desert, IIRC the first mission with lv20 henchies appears just before that. For most new players, you can get nightfall and EOTN heroes far before this. Having three lv20 heroes with you when you are below level 20, and when henchies are even lower level, is very helpful. At this point the henchie builds aren't great either.

2. Just playing through the game normally, you get enough gold to give your heroes runes and decent weapons. I just did this, and the only 'lucky' drop i ever got was a single white dye early in the campaign. And there was only a few times when i felt i was out of gold. This partly fixes the heroes are weaker problem.

3. Heroes can PULL. Henchies can't do that. You can send in a henchie to pull. You can flag ALL henchies away but if you're a squishy class then that's not a good thing. You can flag ALL henchies into a mob, that lets them take the aggro... but that aggros all the mobs. If you have two mobs close together you can't just aggro the closer one. Lastly, sending in ALL henchies isn't always a good idea.

4. some missions, if you are soloing, really help if you can flag heroes around. Rather than the all or nothing of henchmen flagging. IIRC there was one desert one where you can flag a healer on the NPC you're trying to protect, which helps because you have to actually run away to do something to get a bonus.

5. Lastly, we're not suggesting to replace henchies with heroes. You can only have 3 heroes. So the question is whether 7 henchies is better than 4 henchies + 3 heroes

6. How are henchie better desiged for the area? I don't see any basis for this claim. According to the wiki pages, henchies have the same skill sets depending on their level. So no matter which area you go into, the henchies have the same skill sets. They don't change depending on what kind of enemies you are fighting, etc.

And this is probably anecdotal evidence, but when I played prophercies. We played with two players, 5 heroes and a single henchie. We took a protector henchie, because both of our monk heroes only had healing builds.

And guess which was always the first thing in the party to die? The henchie. I believe it was because we couldn't flag her away. We couldn't use the flag for all henchies and heroes, because we didn't want all our heroes flagged. So the henchie just remained unflagged. I often flagged my Ogdnen or Vekk away to a safe (but still in range spot), or set Ogdnen to the passive mode so he'd only heal and not try to attack.

I could keep an eye on the protector henchie but i couldn't do either of those things.

Ironfungus · Aug 26, 2010, 04:33 AM // 04:33

I've been interested in getting Spiteful Spirit for a while now, but is it even possible? The only mob that looks okay to kill would be Zaln the Jaded, but it appears I need to beat Prophecies in order to unlock the area he's in.

How do you "beat" Prophecies? And is it even possible to solo the missions in Prophecies? For a Necro, the Ascension missions seemed pretty damn difficult, and I didn't even attempt to solo (except the Dunes of Despair).

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 26, 2010, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Ironfungus

I've been interested in getting Spiteful Spirit for a while now, but is it even possible?

After you finish the desert missions, you'll end up in a city close to the Talus Chute boss.

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How do you "beat" Prophecies?

'Beat' generally refers to finishing the final mission of that campaign.

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And is it even possible to solo the missions in Prophecies? For a Necro, the Ascension missions seemed pretty damn difficult, and I didn't even attempt to solo (except the Dunes of Despair).

I'm assuming you mean a you + henchmen? That isn't solo (which means one person), it's referred to as H/H. If that's the case, it's possible to do every PvE related thing, barring BLA HM (currently), with H/H, even in HM. Areas where there are no henchmen are obviously excluded.

Xiaquin · Aug 26, 2010, 04:58 AM // 04:58

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Originally Posted by Ironfungus

I've been interested in getting Spiteful Spirit for a while now, but is it even possible? The only mob that looks okay to kill would be Zaln the Jaded, but it appears I need to beat Prophecies in order to unlock the area he's in.

How do you "beat" Prophecies? And is it even possible to solo the missions in Prophecies? For a Necro, the Ascension missions seemed pretty damn difficult, and I didn't even attempt to solo (except the Dunes of Despair).

Hi. You are in the desert, so you've a ways to go to complete Prophecies. The soonest available capture for Spiteful Spirit will be immediately after you complete the final mission in the desert, Dragon's Lair, where you will be teleported to Droknar's Forge. There is a way to have someone run you from Beacon's Perch to this location, by-passing all the work needed to getting to it on your own.

At this point, without heroes, high level friends or a good elite, yeah, it's going to be annoying. This is a frustrating area and the missions for ascension are some of the most annoying, due to time constraints. If you have a really good build, you can still run around with henchmen, but, you need some work so I would suggest you travel to Nightfall and GWEN to get heroes. If you need any help in game, PM me on here.

Ironfungus · Aug 26, 2010, 05:08 AM // 05:08

Well, I got the Ascension missions out of the way. At least, the main three. I still need to do the Dragon's Lair, and I'm not sure what to expect from that.

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

After you finish the desert missions, you'll end up in a city close to the Talus Chute boss.

But can I kill it while only using henchmen? It's level 28, and I'm not sure if I need to worry about any additional mobs or not.

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 26, 2010, 05:20 AM // 05:20

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Originally Posted by Ironfungus

But can I kill it while only using henchmen? It's level 28, and I'm not sure if I need to worry about any additional mobs or not.

Yes. As I said, every PvE aspect of this game, barring BLA, has been completed with H/H in HM. That mob in particular isn't all that hard anyway. Level 28 might seem intimidating, but you'll have a larger team, full skill bars, and someone with a brain.

Ironfungus · Aug 26, 2010, 05:23 AM // 05:23

Awesome, thanks!

Yaksha · Aug 26, 2010, 06:04 AM // 06:04

What's so special about BLA?

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 26, 2010, 06:14 AM // 06:14

No one has been able to do it in HM with H/H and no cons. I haven't tried it myself, but from screenshots I've seen there are an incredible amount of foes. Not to mention worthwhile skill bars and benefits associated with high levels and HM.

Xiaquin · Aug 26, 2010, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Battle for Lion's Arch, let alone Hard Mode, is not even in the same league here.

Talus Chute still presents challenges for those that are new. The tengu mobs are tougher than anything seen prior to this area. Avicara Wise have Ineptitude and Ardents should also be a top priority. In particularly, heading northwest toward Camp Rankor will eventually lead to a bottle neck of a lot of enemies, right where many of the nightmare bosses spawn.

Another Felldspar · Aug 26, 2010, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by Ironfungus

I've been interested in getting Spiteful Spirit for a while now, but is it even possible? The only mob that looks okay to kill would be Zaln the Jaded, but it appears I need to beat Prophecies in order to unlock the area he's in.

One of the things that you can do to open an elite skill when you haven't gotten to the area to kill the boss and capture the skill, is to unlock the skill using Balthazar Faction which you can get either by PvP'ing or by using Zaishen Coins to buy Flames of Balthazar. Use the Balthazar faction to unlock the skill, then buy an Elite Skill Tome to open the skill on your PvE character. It's rather expensive to go about it this way, but it works.

Aug 26, 2010, 06:14 AM // 06:14	#33
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	No one has been able to do it in HM with H/H and no cons. I haven't tried it myself, but from screenshots I've seen there are an incredible amount of foes. Not to mention worthwhile skill bars and benefits associated with high levels and HM. __________________

Aug 26, 2010, 04:33 AM // 04:33	#26
Ironfungus Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2010	I've been interested in getting Spiteful Spirit for a while now, but is it even possible? The only mob that looks okay to kill would be Zaln the Jaded, but it appears I need to beat Prophecies in order to unlock the area he's in. How do you "beat" Prophecies? And is it even possible to solo the missions in Prophecies? For a Necro, the Ascension missions seemed pretty damn difficult, and I didn't even attempt to solo (except the Dunes of Despair).

Aug 26, 2010, 05:23 AM // 05:23	#31
Ironfungus Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2010	Awesome, thanks!

Aug 26, 2010, 06:04 AM // 06:04	#32
Yaksha Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2010 Profession: N/R	What's so special about BLA?

Aug 26, 2010, 02:51 PM // 14:51	#34
Xiaquin Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2010 Guild: [aRIN] Profession: R/	Battle for Lion's Arch, let alone Hard Mode, is not even in the same league here. Talus Chute still presents challenges for those that are new. The tengu mobs are tougher than anything seen prior to this area. Avicara Wise have Ineptitude and Ardents should also be a top priority. In particularly, heading northwest toward Camp Rankor will eventually lead to a bottle neck of a lot of enemies, right where many of the nightmare bosses spawn.