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Old Jul 16, 2012, 09:30 PM // 21:30   #1
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Im brand new to guild wars and ive done a lot of the early stuff but i rushed off into the ascalon foothills and now im struggling with clearing the Borlis Pass.

Any tips?

Normally, being a W/R, when faced with a large group i possision my party out of the way and draw a small group of the larger group away with an arrow, but when i try to do that here the target i hit runs away towards the rest of the group and then the whole charge me and i get DESTROYED!

Obviously besides reaching an extreme level with which grants the obvious perks of a higher hit points average etc i was wondering if you guys had any other tips?

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Old Jul 16, 2012, 10:07 PM // 22:07   #2
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Did you check the wiki walk trough? -> http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Borlis_Pass

There is no extreme level... Top level is 20, you will reach it about halfway through he campaign or 3/4 if rushing though content.

Which henchmen are you taking? if dying a lot make sure to take Alesia (healing) for surviving. Orion (fire ele) for AoE damage... I would also take Dunham and Reyna. You are a warrior so don't take any other warrior henchman.

Edit (Lina is not available on that mish)

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Old Jul 16, 2012, 10:12 PM // 22:12   #3
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I think a lot of veterans have "good" memories of that part (many of us got our asses kicked as well... but that was 7 years ago ).

The key here (if i remember it well) is pulling. Make sure you are not fighting too many mobs at once... you are a warrior (melee) so you are used to close combat, but if you do that there then you most likely attract more than 1 group.

So you need to learn to pull... make sure SOME mobs come to you instead of you running to the mobs. A simple (long)bow may help... make sure your team is far enough (but not too far ofcourse), pick your bow (you can equip multiple weapons) and shoot at one of the enemies (make sure that multiple groups are not too close to eachother otherwise you still get too many mobs). If done correctly then that group will come to you and you willl have an easier fight. Dont forget to switch back to your main weapon as the bow is only used to help you pull

It also helps if you know what the professions are of the enemies that you are fighting... some are melee, some are casters... some will fight close to you, some keep distance and some are healing the enemies. Thats something you need to recognize too and that kind of info will help you a lot when making decisions during the battle: often its killing the healers first which often makes the rest of the battle easier, but sometimes you want to kill some hardhitters first (to prevent you team gets easily wiped).

Good luck and dont forget to learn from your mistakes (we all have been there)

EDIT: i just noticed that you already tried a bow, but i think your timing may be bad.... keep trying (make sure you and the rest of your team is on a safe spot... that multiple groups arent too close to eachother and dont run forward to those mobs... let them come to you)

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Hi,

Did you check the wiki walk trough? -> http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Borlis_Pass
I think he is not talking about the mission but about the quest that leads to that mission outpost...

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Old Jul 16, 2012, 10:37 PM // 22:37   #4
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what level are you (are you about the same level, at least, of the henchmen?)?

and yes, those of us who were around 7 years ago do remember that part VERY well--

so get out your bow and pull a few enemies to you....and you can always run back the way you came (even thru the portal--they will all respawn though)...and with the flags now you can put your henchies waay behind you and see how far you can pull the mobs.
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Old Jul 16, 2012, 11:27 PM // 23:27   #5
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A longbow is fine but a flatbow usually works better for new players as the higher arc gives you a little more time to back up and, as a result, helps with the panic factor.

As mentioned you need to know your enemy and target the most dangerous first, the the next most dangerous and so on and so forth until you get to the least dangerous. For Charr, the Flamewielders/Firecallers are usually the ones you want to get first unless theres a shaman in the group. As a general rule you want to knock out the opposing healers first since the longer the enemy can remain alive the more pressure it will put on your party.

So focus your fire on Shaman and FlameW/Fire C's. Then you want to take out the mesmers (Mind Sparks, Chaots), followed by the Necro charrs...you can leave thw warrior and ranger charrs for last.

Also as mentioned you want to make sure that your party has the right mix of henchmen. The general inclination in 6 member parties for new players I think is to take 2 warriors when in fact, depending on skillset you may not need any warrior. When i play my rit, the only time when i take a warrior type is if im forced to take one because you need that hero in your party to do a mission. You should take Orion, Dunham and as many healers as you are allowed, usually upto 2 in the area your at if i recall. The last one may be anything.

If you are having problems definitely read the walkthrough or feel free to ask for help. My IGN is Dar Drakor. Nowadays im usually just on passing time doing Zaishen stuff or Wanted bounties so i should be able to help you.

If you have EOTN...i would suggest that as soon as you get to Ascalon...to go out and get Mox into your party...as well as take the jaunt into EOTN so you can get Vekk and Ogden. Would get you 3 level 20 heroes which will be better than any henchmen you can get for some time...and will allow you to use your hero flags on.

Regarding pulling...if they dont follow you that means you are pulling back too early. Youll need to stand your ground a little longer. Also multiple groups can merge. If you fire into a large crowd it is quite possible that more enemies can aggro than you can handle. Take your time and wait for them to separate before firing to pull.

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Old Jul 16, 2012, 11:41 PM // 23:41   #6
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^ when he says "Ascalon," he means Lion's Arch
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Old Jul 17, 2012, 02:39 AM // 02:39   #7
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Welcome to GW, Nemophish! Hope you're enjoying yourself.

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i rushed off into the ascalon foothills and now im struggling with clearing the Borlis Pass.
Quick question: Are you having trouble with getting to Borlis Pass from Yak's Bend or are you having trouble with the Borlis Pass mission? The reason I ask is because proceeding from Yak's Bend trips up most people who haven't been through there before. The best way to get through to B.P. is to only take on one quest at a time in Yak's Bend. Many of the quests there have you going out and killing a specific mob or clearing a path, and those mobs spawn very close to each other.
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Old Jul 17, 2012, 06:34 AM // 06:34   #8
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Guys this has been fantastic help! Ive been to yaks bend already as when i first got into the ascalon foothills i thought it was important to keep moving until i could find somewhere i could easily fast travel to to save keep fighting the hydra and the boulder elementals.

Currently im at level 12, and wow i didnt realise the level cap was that low :/ is there still room for skill growth after hitting level 20 or is that really it? Also im defo a massive noob as i didnt even realise that each bow fired differently >.<

Im busy most of the day but will try and clear the pass again tonight and will post on here just how i get on :P

Thanks for all your help guys and Dra Darkor if i get stuck i'll give you a shout (Khymera Starslip is my IGN)

Cheers All

P.s - i bought the edition which includes factions and nightfall and the summoning stone that lets you create a fire imp (which has proved damn useful!) but my friend says that you can travel between games from certain areas is that right? Or firstly do i need to have created a character in the different games? Sorry if these are stupid questions ^_^

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Old Jul 17, 2012, 06:39 AM // 06:39   #9
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Good luck Nemophish,

I addition to all of the above doid you upgrade your armour at Yaks? The armour level and the right runes can make a huge difference to your survivability.

yes any char can travel to all the game worlds - the initial quests that let you do that are listed here

we had the same questions when we started

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Old Jul 17, 2012, 10:05 AM // 10:05   #10
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Currently im at level 12, and wow i didnt realise the level cap was that low :/ is there still room for skill growth after hitting level 20 or is that really it? Also im defo a massive noob as i didnt even realise that each bow fired differently >.<
The level cap is low intentionally actually. Guild wars is not a game where you spend half your play time just trying to get to the max level so that you can have fun. The majority of the game is INTENDED to be done at level 20. Everything preceding that is sort of considered a tutorial on tactics, skills and team building.

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P.s - i bought the edition which includes factions and nightfall and the summoning stone that lets you create a fire imp (which has proved damn useful!) but my friend says that you can travel between games from certain areas is that right? Or firstly do i need to have created a character in the different games? Sorry if these are stupid questions ^_^
Yes, once you progress to certain areas (Lion's Arch for Prophecies, Kaineng Center for Factions, Consulate Docks for Nightfall) you can freely travel between campaigns. If you should ever purchase Eye of the North you can also take any existing character to that area. You can also create a character in any of the campaigns and use it to do the content of any of the others, so you may as well keep playing the character you started with for now, at least until you learn the game. Good luck, and feel free to contact me/us in game for help! Welcome to GW!
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Old Jul 17, 2012, 01:42 PM // 13:42   #11
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Tried to see if this tip was mentioned, might have missed so excuse me if it's double. The quests leading to borlispass have a stacking amount of enemy's on the same road (so every quest adds foes to he mobs). So it's best to not take all quests in yak's bend but take one, complete it and take the other (if you already took all, then abbandon some).
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Old Jul 17, 2012, 02:20 PM // 14:20   #12
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Borlis Pass - it's been a while - is that after Yak's Bend? If it is, did you upgrade your armor in Yak's Bend? And isn't there a [skills] guy there too?
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Old Jul 17, 2012, 03:24 PM // 15:24   #13
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Don't be alarmed about the level cap. Progression in GW is different, a good skill bar is what dictates how you are and good equipment (armor addons) to support you skill build... and getting those skills/equipment means playing through content to have access to the skills. Also later on you will be able to "cap skills" which is basically killing bosses and stealing their "Elite skills" for yourself. Guess where the best Elite kills are?

So always measure your progress by your skill bar and armor/equipment. If you have too few skills, or if they do no "complement" each other go back to prior towns and check the side quests if they give a skill as a reward take them, the more skill the more flexible your bar will be.

One thing -that no one has mentioned/asked- (edit: Quaker asked) is your armor rating. I'm not sure about what armor you have available at that point but if you are still using your starter armor migth be time to get new armor. Armor does not drop from mobs you have to buy it or exchange trophies to collectors scattered around the maps.

So again tips are:

1. Always take a healer, do not take a second warrior
2. pull, pull, pull
3. Get better armor if you can afford it.
4. get as many skills as you can and read their description on how to use them.. ie. one skill might knock down a target and another skill might inflict a condition but only to knocked down targets, so you use them in the correct order and you get better results.

I know is disorienting at the beginning. I quit GW because I never bother to understand the mechanics (coming from Diablo 2 if I recall correctly) but when I returned and made the extra effort... Its a fun game to beat.

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P.s - i bought the edition which includes factions and nightfall and the summoning stone that lets you create a fire imp (which has proved damn useful!) but my friend says that you can travel between games from certain areas is that right? Or firstly do i need to have created a character in the different games? Sorry if these are stupid questions ^_^
Regarding this question.

Yes you can travel to other regions right after you reach Lion's arch and Elona (Nightfall) is a prime destination to get Heroes (better henchmen that you can give them skills bars )

BUT......

Heroes do not work well without good skills bars and Platinum and skill access will be a barrier... If you want to play Nightfall I recommend getting to Lion's arch and starting a second toon on nightfall this way hero progression will be more natural as you will get enough plat and skill access to improve them. After that you can return to your main and travel to nightfall to get the heroes.

Any skill that you get or buy on any toon is available for any heroes that you get, it doesn't matter on which toon. You may have noticed the "you have unlocked a skill" message whenever you got one... now any heroes that you get of the same class can use it, even heroes from other toons.

... there is a lot more information so again wiki is you friend -> http://wiki.guildwars.com/

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Old Jul 17, 2012, 05:16 PM // 17:16   #14
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Borlis Pass - it's been a while - is that after Yak's Bend? If it is, did you upgrade your armor in Yak's Bend? And isn't there a [skills] guy there too?
Yes, it's after Yak's, but no - don't upgrade your armor there. It has the same AR as that from Corwen in Ascalon, i.e. 50/40/30. Definitely a skills guy, though ^_^

(In fact, it's not worthwhile upgrading armor until you hit Ventari's Refuge - possibly even holding on until the desert if you're lacking in funds.)
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Old Jul 17, 2012, 07:47 PM // 19:47   #15
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Yes, it's after Yak's, but no - don't upgrade your armor there. It has the same AR as that from Corwen in Ascalon, i.e. 50/40/30. Definitely a skills guy, though ^_^

(In fact, it's not worthwhile upgrading armor until you hit Ventari's Refuge - possibly even holding on until the desert if you're lacking in funds.)
Better yet, once Lion's Arch is reached, hop over to Cantha(there's a quest for that) and get max armor at Kaineng Center.
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Old Jul 17, 2012, 08:32 PM // 20:32   #16
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Actually, I usually take the trip to EotN (armorer in Boreal) and grab the freebie heroes as a bonus - but the OP didn't indicate if he owned more than just Proph.
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Old Jul 17, 2012, 10:01 PM // 22:01   #17
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Wow theres a lot to take in but i think ive just about got it. Well as promised i said i would update my progress.

Attempt Number 2 = Successful to begin with before falling on its epically fat face.

I change my bow and the pulling was working great, i upgraded my armour and found that my health was lasting a lot longer. I was able to effectively remove Mobs without to much trouble while the E/Henchman and the Mage supported my from afar and the healer giving me a boost as well as combining the bleeding and wounding skills i got i would inflict conditions on each foe with my fire imp as well and then my party would finish them off ^_^ (i guess i am leaning ). The thing that struck me was when the pulling worked but then they ran towards a large group and kinda 'recruited' them to come kick my level 12 ass. But it wouldnt have been to bad except the F%*&£ing mobs kept attacking the healer and i could heal and fight well enough at the same time, to add insult to injury i kept trying after dying and watched my health get lower and lower and lower LOL. I took a lot of stuff from the wiki as well as some of the great tips on here, the bow change, swapping my pulling tactic, re arranging my team and adding an elementalist not a fighter but it was the healer thing that shafted me.

I know its all because im new to this game and im still getting to grips with the mechanics and game play, i just dont want to come over as whiney bitch on here like you get on some forums, this game is to hard whine whine my character cant level quick enough whine whine etc but i just want to learn and progress because just from the little ive done i can already see what a game this is and hope that its only get get better the more i explore and do etc. But its just so annoying that the party seems to want to get itself destroyed LOL.

Sorry for the essay...>.< but in summary great advice guys i think ive nearly cracked the formula!! But....any more hints or tips ? feel free to wash your hands of my whiney noob self completely :P
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the first part of prophecies (the part to started in) is ALL about learning! you will make mistakes, you will learn from them....you will gain skill and learn how to work with your team--its all part of it and you seem to be right on track, so keep plodding along. And yes we will be here to help out if you need advice.
advice: when you get to a new town check for a skills guy--new skills are usually a good thing, also there are quests that reward skills (and xp) dont pass these up! and always be on the look out for better armor (there is a wiki page that will tell you which cities offer new armor : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Armor so make sure to check out your profession and see where the next armor is for you). ALSO when armor drops from foes it may be light blue or purple (or gold) in which case it will have runes or insignias--identify these!! some of those runes will help you out : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Rune and http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Insignia and yes its a LOT to take in ....dont be afraid to try things out)
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What level are you, Nemophish? There's always the possibility that you may have left pre-searing too early. Also, you could go back to the Ascalon area and mop up all the secondary quests that you've undoubtably missed - that might level you up a touch.

Oh, and don't worry about asking questions. Some of us old timers love helping because, in a way, we're re-living GW from a beginner's point of view, and that was when GW was at its best
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Old Jul 17, 2012, 10:52 PM // 22:52   #20
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What level are you, Nemophish? There's always the possibility that you may have left pre-searing too early. Also, you could go back to the Ascalon area and mop up all the secondary quests that you've undoubtably missed - that might level you up a touch.
Im level 12 snograt and I left pre-searing at around level 7 i think. And yes there are some ascalon quests i havent attempted yet. I think im gonnat try leveling up and completing as much ascalon stuff as i can then make another run at the pass. And if that fails....well then i guess ill just head back to the drawing board LOL.
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